Free fall with air resistance, must find velocity


by Merbdon
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Jan3-12, 06:44 PM
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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

The problem is to find the velocity as a function of time, given the following;
the object is in free fall and its initial velocity is zero. The formula given for the air resistance is: a = g - kv, where g is acceleration d/t gravity, k is a constant, and v is velocity.

2. Relevant equations
The problem gives the hint to solve using integration by parts, with u = g - kv


3. The attempt at a solution
The solution given in the back of the book is v = [itex]\frac{g}{k}[/itex](1-e-kt)
I have no idea how to arrive at this solution.
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Jan3-12, 07:54 PM
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Quote Quote by Merbdon View Post
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

The problem is to find the velocity as a function of time, given the following;
the object is in free fall and its initial velocity is zero. The formula given for the air resistance is: a = g - kv, where g is acceleration d/t gravity, k is a constant, and v is velocity.

2. Relevant equations
The problem gives the hint to solve using integration by parts, with u = g - kv


3. The attempt at a solution
The solution given in the back of the book is v = [itex]\frac{g}{k}[/itex](1-e-kt)
I have no idea how to arrive at this solution.
[itex]g - kv[/itex] is the expression for the net downward acceleration of the object, not just the deceleration due to wind resistance.

Set up the differential equation relating velocity and time, to begin with.
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Jan3-12, 10:11 PM
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Quote Quote by Merbdon View Post
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

The problem is to find the velocity as a function of time, given the following;
the object is in free fall and its initial velocity is zero. The formula given for the air resistance is: a = g - kv, where g is acceleration d/t gravity, k is a constant, and v is velocity.

2. Relevant equations
The problem gives the hint to solve using integration by parts, with u = g - kv


3. The attempt at a solution
The solution given in the back of the book is v = [itex]\frac{g}{k}[/itex](1-e-kt)
I have no idea how to arrive at this solution.
You can use differential form of acceleration, ie [itex]\large{a = \frac{dv}{dt}}[/itex]

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Jan4-12, 12:40 AM
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Free fall with air resistance, must find velocity


You don't have to integrate by parts, BTW. This is an easily separable first order differential equation. Maybe a simple substitution to clarify the form, but that's it.
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Jan4-12, 02:18 PM
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Thanks for the replies everyone, but I'm still not seeing it. I am not trying to copy and paste an answer here, I'm doing this on my own time, trying to study before I go back to school in the Fall.
Where does the e come from? Is there some basic calculus that I'm overlooking? It looks to me that solving the problem should go something like this:

[itex]\frac{dv}{dt}[/itex]= g - kv

∫[itex]^{t}_{0}[/itex]dvdt = ∫[itex]^{t}_{0}[/itex](g - kvt)dt

v = gt - kvt → v = [itex]\frac{gt}{1 + kt}[/itex]

Which makes sense, but doesn't match the answer in the book. Is the book incorrect, or am I? What am I missing here?

Thanks again for the help everyone.
-Merb
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Jan4-12, 02:34 PM
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When you neglect the gravity term, you should immediately see that the solution of
[itex]\frac{dv}{dt}=-v[/itex]
is
[itex]v=e^{-t}[/itex]
because of the property of exponential functions:
[itex]\frac{d(e^{-t})}{dt}=-e^{-t}[/itex]

Look up how to solve first order ode's using integrating factors and solving homogeneous and non-homogeneous equations. Hope this helps.
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Jan4-12, 03:57 PM
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Why would you neglect the gravity term?
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Quote Quote by Merbdon View Post
Thanks for the replies everyone, but I'm still not seeing it. I am not trying to copy and paste an answer here, I'm doing this on my own time, trying to study before I go back to school in the Fall.
Where does the e come from? Is there some basic calculus that I'm overlooking? It looks to me that solving the problem should go something like this:

[itex]\frac{dv}{dt}[/itex]= g - kv

∫[itex]^{t}_{0}[/itex]dvdt = ∫[itex]^{t}_{0}[/itex](g - kvt)dt

v = gt - kvt → v = [itex]\frac{gt}{1 + kt}[/itex]
This integration is wrong. v is a function of t and you cannot treat it as a constant as you did on the right.

Which makes sense, but doesn't match the answer in the book. Is the book incorrect, or am I? What am I missing here?

Thanks again for the help everyone.
-Merb
From
[tex]\frac{dv}{dt}= g- kv[/tex]
you get
[tex]\int\frac{dv}{g- kv}= \int dt[/tex]
to integrate on the left, let u= g- kv so that du= -k dv, dv= (-1/k)du
[tex]-\frac{1}{k}\int\frac{du}{u}= \int dt[/tex]
so that
[tex]-\frac{1}{k}ln u= ln(u^{-1/k})= t+ c[/tex]
where c is the constant of integration. Taking the exponential of both sides
[tex]u^{-1/k}= e^{t+ c}= Ce^t[/tex]
Take the -k th power of both sides to get
[tex]u= g- kv= Ae^{-kt}[/tex]
where [itex]A= C^{-k}[/itex]

Finally, solve for v:
[tex]v(t)= \frac{Ae^{kt}- g}{k}[/tex]
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Jan4-12, 06:22 PM
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Thank you very much Halls, that was a huge help. (It is a definite integral, though, evaluated at an arbitrary time t and assuming v=0 at t=0. I did away with the constant of integration.) I still can't get the answer that is given in the back of the book, however. When I manipulate it to a form similar to the answer above, I get v=[itex]\frac{g}{k}[/itex](1-[itex]\frac{1}{g}[/itex]e-kt) (the exp should not be divided by g). Another strange thing is that both the answer I got using your method and the answer in the book check out when you differentiate with respect to t and set the result equal to a=g-kv, so both appear to be valid, but that can't be right. Any ideas?
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Feb26-12, 08:56 PM
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From
[tex]\frac{dv}{dt}= g- kv[/tex]
you get
[tex]\int\frac{dv}{g- kv}= \int dt[/tex]
to integrate on the left, let u= g- kv so that du= -k dv, dv= (-1/k)du
[tex]-\frac{1}{k}\int\frac{du}{u}= \int dt[/tex]

How would you solve differently if you had m(dv/dt)= mg- kv2
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Feb27-12, 08:52 AM
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[itex]\int \frac{1}{1-ax^2}dx=\frac{1}{\sqrt{a}}arctanh(\sqrt(a)x)[/itex]

There is probably a nice variable transformation to get an easier intermediate integral in case you don't know the above integral.
sunnyceej
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Feb27-12, 10:26 PM
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Thanks!


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