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Fourier series coefficients

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Mar4-12, 01:46 PM
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The expressions for the coefficients of a fourier series are valid for all integers [0;n].
Though sometimes when I evaluate the fourier series of an even function (composed only of cosines) I get an expression for the r'th coefficient, which has r in the demoninator. It could be for instance:

ar = (-1)r/(rπ)

Since division by zero is not allowed this expression doesn't hold for the r=0, i.e. the first coefficient in the sum of cosines. What is that, that is not reversible, in the proces of solving the integral for the r'th coefficient? Because the integral expression clearly works for all r.
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The expressions for the coefficients of a fourier series are valid for all integers [0;n].
Though sometimes when I evaluate the fourier series of an even function (composed only of cosines) I get an expression for the r'th coefficient, which has r in the demoninator. It could be for instance:

ar = (-1)r/(rπ)

Since division by zero is not allowed this expression doesn't hold for the r=0, i.e. the first coefficient in the sum of cosines. What is that, that is not reversible, in the proces of solving the integral for the r'th coefficient? Because the integral expression clearly works for all r.
I'm guessing you are thinking of an example where you are given something like ##f(x) = 3## on ##(0,\pi)## and you are trying to write a FS for its even extension. The ##b_n## are all zero for an even function. You have $$
a_n=\frac 2 {\pi} \int_0^{\pi} f(x)\cos(nx)\, dx = \frac 2 {\pi} \int_0^{\pi} 3\cos(nx)\, dx
=\frac 6 {\pi}\left . \frac{\sin(nx)}{n} \right | _0^{\pi} = 0$$This gives the incorrect value for ##a_0##.The reason for this is that for ##n=0## you would be saying that$$
\int \cos (0x) = \frac {\sin (0x)}{0} = 0$$That formula doesn't make any sense and doesn't apply when ##n=0## because there would be no cosine in the integral. The integral for ##a_0## is$$
a_0=\frac 1 \pi \int_0^\pi f(x)\, dx = \frac 1 \pi \int_0^\pi 3\, dx=3$$
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hmm yes, I see. So in general, even if you get an expression for the r'th coefficient, where putting r=0 would make sense, you can't trust that to get you the right value for a0 right?

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You just have to be careful that you don't get senseless expressions. For example, when you have an integral like$$
\int_0^\pi \sin(nx)\sin(mx)\,dx$$ where ##m## and ##n## are integers, you would use the product formulas to change the product of sines to a sum:$$
\sin(mx)\sin(nx)=\frac 1 2 (\cos((m-n)x)-\cos((m+n)x)$$If you integrate that you will get$$
\left. \frac 1 2 \left(\frac {\sin(m-n)x}{m-n}-\frac{\sin(m+n)x}{m+n}\right)\right |_0^\pi=0$$If you don't notice that ##m-n## in the denominator, you might say the integral is zero for all ##m## and ##n##, which is similar to the problem you are mentioning. But the calculations don't make sense when ##m=n##, which is why the answer can't be trusted. But you wouldn't want to actually do the integral that way anyway if ##m=n## because you would use the double angle angle formula:$$
\sin^2(nx)=\frac {1-\cos(2nx)}{2}$$not a product formula.
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But.... but.... the double angle formula IS the product formula!!!!

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hmm yes, I see. So in general, even if you get an expression for the r'th coefficient, where putting r=0 would make sense, you can't trust that to get you the right value for a0 right?
For example, if your function is a constant function all your higher coefficients are going to be 0. Plug in r=0 and you get 0, which is probably wrong
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but like you say if r=0 then integrating cos(nx) is just nonsense. So how would you be able to trust the expression even if it made sense to plug in r=0? Give an example please :)
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but like you say if r=0 then integrating cos(nx) is just nonsense. So how would you be able to trust the expression even if it made sense to plug in r=0? Give an example please :)
You can't trust it. See http://physicsforums.com/showpost.ph...55&postcount=2 posted above. You just have to do the integral separately


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