When water can form an H30+ ion why can't it form an H4O2+ ion?

AakashPandita

Is it that protons tend to join other H2O molecules rather than forming H40²⁺?

Borek

Yes. Think about the availability of water (its molar concentration) as compared to the concentration of H⁺ in a typical acid solution.

And water doesn't contain only H₃O⁺. From what I remember also larger ions like H₅O₂⁺, H₇O₃⁺ and so on were detected.

pa5tabear

Sounds like it does. It's just unlikely to happen in most solutions where the number of water molecules far outweighs the number of hydronium ions.

I'll also add that under almost all conditions, the formation of H₂O²⁺ is probably very thermodynamically unfavorable compared to hydronium formation. This means that even if the concentrations were equal, the formation would still be less likely to occur due to instability of the molecules.

Think about it: why would a charge accumulate on one molecule when it could spread itself out?

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AakashPandita	When water can form an H30+ ion why can't it form an H4O2+ ion? Tweet Is it that protons tend to join other H2O molecules rather than forming H40²⁺?

Borek Admin	Yes. Think about the availability of water (its molar concentration) as compared to the concentration of H⁺ in a typical acid solution. And water doesn't contain only H₃O⁺. From what I remember also larger ions like H₅O₂⁺, H₇O₃⁺ and so on were detected.