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Jul2-12, 12:49 PM   #18
 
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Scientific take on telekinesis


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Jul2-12, 08:25 PM   #19

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what does that mean?they are cheating people to earn money?

btw I see both of them in guinness record
Skepticism & Debunking, the Fox News* of PF......

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*I only say this, because I've just discovered that the National Geographic Channel is owned by Fox. "National Geographic" used to mean something special. A respected name, like Walter Cronkite, et al. sigh......

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hmm... can you imagine if everyone canceled their cable?
Jul2-12, 10:53 PM   #20
 
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LOL!! His toungue was in the wrong place. Yeah right. Or maybe he moved his toes. Uh-huh.
My daughter could nullify him regardless of his tongues position.

Jul2-12, 11:01 PM   #21
 
My problem with telekinesis; Newton's 3rd law of motion...where is the equal but opposite force? Shouldn't the guy bending spoons with his mind have brain damage or something?
Jul2-12, 11:05 PM   #22
 
This demonstration of "telekinesis" is the best ever for amazing people:



What they don't demonstrate is that you can "will" the paper to stop and change directions. That's a lot harder to explain, and more amazing to people watching.
Jul3-12, 07:22 AM   #23
 
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Do any of you remember PEAR - the ill-fated (and now deceased) Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research lab, that studied (among other things), "micropsychokinesis"? That includes stuff like seeing if the human mind could affect the output of a random binary generator.
Jul3-12, 08:10 AM   #24
 
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Do any of you remember PEAR - the ill-fated (and now deceased) Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research lab, that studied (among other things), "micropsychokinesis"? That includes stuff like seeing if the human mind could affect the output of a random binary generator.
yes i was about to ask about that. does this mean anything? though i dint understand most of observations stated there
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/...ear-review.pdf
Jul4-12, 01:20 AM   #25
 
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It implies ghostly interference in lab studies ...
Jul4-12, 08:54 AM   #26
 
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It implies ghostly interference in lab studies ...
does it imply an inclination towards telepathy cos i see Einstein quoting a physicist about that.any one?
Jul4-12, 09:08 AM   #27
 
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does it imply an inclination towards telepathy cos i see Einstein quoting a physicist about that.any one?
No. Accepting the methodology of the paper to be sound (which is never a given, when properly reading a paper you should read through the method to determine if it is correct) and accepting this to be true all it shows is that there is an unexplained statistical effect that should be investigated more. It is not evidence for the existance of anything on its own.
Jul4-12, 09:33 AM   #28
 
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No. Accepting the methodology of the paper to be sound (which is never a given, when properly reading a paper you should read through the method to determine if it is correct) and accepting this to be true all it shows is that there is an unexplained statistical effect that should be investigated more. It is not evidence for the existance of anything on its own.
i agree to that. Btw any idea why this became defunct? and any where is the further investigation carried upon?
Jul4-12, 09:48 AM   #29
 
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i agree to that. Btw any idea why this became defunct?
You mean why did PEAR close? Short answer is that the department head considered their job done with the publication of the paper we're talking about.
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and any where is the further investigation carried upon?
I looked up the paper on ncbi and found many papers citing it however I was suspicious when many of them seemed to be pro-ESP papers published in a small variety of journals including the Journal of Scientific Exploration, the Journal of Consciousness Studies and the Journal of Science and Healing. All of these are frindge journals with very questionable credibility so bear that in mind when you read further into this.

One paper that is quite interesting however is this meta-analysis on so-called Decision Augmentation Theory evidence that claims that the statistical significance seen in papers like the PEAR one are a result of publication bias.
Jul4-12, 10:33 AM   #30
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This is a good article on PEAR.

According to John McCrone, "Operator 10," believed to be a PEAR staff member, "has been involved in 15% of the 14 million trials, yet contributed to a full half of the total excess hits" (McCrone 1994).

Perhaps the most disconcerting thing about PEAR is the fact that suggestions by critics that should have been considered were routinely ignored. Physicist Bob Park reports, for example, that he suggested to Jahn two types of experiments that would have bypassed the main criticisms aimed at PEAR. Why not do a double-blind experiment? asked Park. Have a second RNG determine the task of the operator and do not let this determination be known to the one recording the results. This could have eliminated the charge of experimenter bias. Another experiment, however, could have eliminated most criticism. Park suggested that PEAR have operators try to use their minds to move a "state-of-the-art microbalance" (Park 2008, 138-139). A microbalance can make precise measurements on the order of a millionth of a gram. One doesn't need to be clairvoyant to figure out why this suggestion was never heeded.
http://www.skepdic.com/pear.html
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