Books on quantum and plasma physics

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The discussion centers on recommendations for books on quantum and plasma physics, as well as the mathematical background needed to support studies in these areas. Participants share their experiences with specific texts and express varying levels of familiarity with the subjects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks suggestions for comprehensive books on quantum and plasma physics, noting their basic math background.
  • Another participant recommends "Quantum, a guide for the perplexed" for its clarity on quantum mechanics principles and suggests additional titles like "Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell" and "The Quantum Quark."
  • Several participants propose specific plasma physics texts, including "Introduction to Plasma Physics and Controlled Fusion" by Francis F. Chen and "Introduction to Plasma Physics" by R. J. Goldston and P. H. Rutherford, highlighting the distinction between general plasma physics and fusion engineering perspectives.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of foundational math, suggesting a book on vector calculus and an electromagnetism text to prepare for plasma studies.
  • Another participant discusses the job prospects in fusion research, noting that opportunities are limited and dependent on government funding, while also mentioning the long-term outlook for energy generation from controlled fusion.
  • There is a debate regarding the relationship between quantum mechanics and plasma physics, with one participant arguing that plasma interactions require a quantum description, while another contends that plasma physics can often be treated classically, particularly in magnetohydrodynamics (MHD).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between quantum mechanics and plasma physics, with some asserting that quantum effects are essential in plasma studies, while others argue that classical models are sufficient in many contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which quantum mechanics applies to plasma interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various resources and links for further reading, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of the mathematical requirements or the specific applications of quantum mechanics in plasma physics.

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I have read Fundamentals of Physics by Resnick and Halliday. My goal currently is to delve into quantum and plasma physics.
Can you suggest any good, comprehensive books.

My Math knowledge is pretty basic (just done some integral calculus 12th grade level)
Can you suggest books for maths to go along with my physics studies?

Thanks in advance.
 
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I just finished reading one called " Quantum, a guide for the perplexed" I highly suggest this book, it clealry states basic principles and ideas gathering quantum mechanics, including all the different fields of it, and how it plays a huge role in todays modern world. It also goes into all the different sub-particles and theories on that topic, with a ton of awesome collored images to help clarify any misleadings. I bought it at Barnes and Nobles... I am sure it can be bought anywhere though. I also just ordered two more books called " quantum field theory in a nuthsell" and " the quantum quark", which i can't wait to read.

hope this helped...
 
Try these:

Introduction to Plasma Physics and Controlled Fusion: Volume 1 - Plasma Physics
by Francis F. Chen

Introduction to Plasma Physics
R. J. Goldston, P. H. Rutherford

The type of book may depend on whether you are looking for plasma physics in general or plasma physics from a fusion engineering standpoint. The physics is the same, but emphasis on certain points will differ.

Edward Teller has a monograph entitled: "Fusion", and Vol 1 (in parts A and B) cover magnetic confinement.

See http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/PlasmaPhysics.html for a comprehensive list of books on plasma physics and related topics.

The book by Hannes Alfvén is a classic, but doesn't cover everything. He is also usually regarded as the father of the branch of plasma physics known as magnetohydrodynamics. See - http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/people/alfven.html

You might want to check a good technical library first before you buy.

As for math - see for example - http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/PlasmaFrequency.html. This will give examples of the type of math - e.g. partial differential equations and multivariable calculus.

Please also see - PHY380L Introduction to Plasma Physics http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachi...s/lectures.html , which I posted in response to question on "Plasma Control".
 
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Astronuc said:
Try these:

Introduction to Plasma Physics and Controlled Fusion: Volume 1 - Plasma Physics
by Francis F. Chen

Introduction to Plasma Physics
R. J. Goldston, P. H. Rutherford

The type of book may depend on whether you are looking for plasma physics in general or plasma physics from a fusion engineering standpoint. The physics is the same, but emphasis on certain points will differ.

Edward Teller has a monograph entitled: "Fusion", and Vol 1 (in parts A and B) cover magnetic confinement.

See http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/PlasmaPhysics.html for a comprehensive list of books on plasma physics and related topics.

The book by Hannes Alfvén is a classic, but doesn't cover everything. He is also usually regarded as the father of the branch of plasma physics known as magnetohydrodynamics. See - http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/people/alfven.html

You might want to check a good technical library first before you buy.

As for math - see for example - http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/PlasmaFrequency.html. This will give examples of the type of math - e.g. partial differential equations and multivariable calculus.

Please also see - PHY380L Introduction to Plasma Physics http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachi...s/lectures.html , which I posted in response to question on "Plasma Control".

Thank for the reply.

I see in your profile that you are a nuclear engineer.

Could you tell me the job prospects in the field especially in fusion research and the pay as I am considering the field.
 
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It's interesting you mention QM and Plasmas, mainly because they are about as far apart as two subfields of physics can be.

That said, the recommended books are good but may be a bit above your current level. Pick up a book on vector calculus ( http://www.wwnorton.com/college/titles/math/div3/ ) and then an e/m book if you want to go further into plasmas. From there you'll be suited to tackle the listed books.
 
Fusion research is still pretty fundamental. There are some opportunities, but they are somewhat limited.

Check - http://www.iter.org/ - for the International Toroidal Experimental Reactor program and The Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory (PPPL) - http://www.pppl.gov/.

These programs are funded by government grants, and there are a few critics who would like to see the programs terminated.

It still looks like energy generation from controlled fusion is down the road - some say 35 to 50 years.

It is definitely a challenging field in need of bright and resourceful minds.

As for salaries, you would have to contact the programs to see what job openings are avaliable or what salaries are like.
 
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theFuture said:
It's interesting you mention QM and Plasmas, mainly because they are about as far apart as two subfields of physics can be.

I guess this phrase denotes that u and physics are very much apart,almost like two disjoint sets.U haven't read too much into plasma physics,have you??Do you think it's fair to consider interactions between particles (ions,electrons,protons,atoms,molecules) as "classical"? :wink: I guess you do,else u would have realized that any plasma interactions deserve a quantum description...Besides,the degree of "complication" implied by the quantum description is nonexistent,as Kubo's theory is very much similar classically and quantum.
My advice is:document yourself and try to sustain every assertion with proof.
Daniel.

P.S.I wonder whether solar plasma (for example) can be studied without QM effects... :rolleyes:
 
dextercioby said:
I guess this phrase denotes that u and physics are very much apart,almost like two disjoint sets.U haven't read too much into plasma physics,have you??Do you think it's fair to consider interactions between particles (ions,electrons,protons,atoms,molecules) as "classical"? :wink: I guess you do,else u would have realized that any plasma interactions deserve a quantum description...Besides,the degree of "complication" implied by the quantum description is nonexistent,as Kubo's theory is very much similar classically and quantum.
My advice is:document yourself and try to sustain every assertion with proof.
Daniel.

P.S.I wonder whether solar plasma (for example) can be studied without QM effects... :rolleyes:

I don't think you understood quite what I was getting at. Obviously there is a lot of overlap but in physics of the main subfields today plasma does not involve a lot of QM when compared to other fields that are almost exclusively QM. MHD is pretty much a classical model and it's working wel. It's clear that a QM model is necessary as your brought up, but there are few fields of research in physics today where you are able to separate yourself so much from QM.

As my QM professor kept saying this semester, "If you hate this stuff, there's always plasmas."
 

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