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Oct17-12, 06:47 PM   #18
 
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Two balls carrying the same charge


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So your saying that both h and r should be .03m?
I would use r for both, where r is the distance between the centers of the balls.
And I am solving for velocity?
What's the velocity at the initial position? And at the highest position? (You're solving for that highest position.)

You'll take advantage of the fact that the total mechanical energy remains constant. Evaluate it at the initial position.
 
Oct17-12, 06:54 PM   #19
 
Okay so the r is going to be equal to .06m.

The velocity at the initial position is zero, so I set v = 0?

1/2(.012)(0) + (.012)(9.8)(.06) + (8.99e9(.45uC*.45uC)/(.06)) = .03739725
 
Oct17-12, 07:03 PM   #20
 
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Okay so the r is going to be equal to .06m.
Yes, at the initial position.
The velocity at the initial position is zero, so I set v = 0?
Right.
1/2(.012)(0) + (.012)(9.8)(.06) + (8.99e9(.45uC*.45uC)/(.06)) = .03739725
I didn't check your arithmetic, but that's the right idea. Now set up a general equation and solve for the value of r at the final position.
 
Oct17-12, 07:08 PM   #21
 
So the number I just calculated is for the TME at r initial?
 
Oct17-12, 07:12 PM   #22
 
Thanks for all the help, sorry I need so much support.
 
Oct17-12, 07:29 PM   #23
 
Should the new equation be:

1/2(.012)(0) + (.012)(9.8)(.06) + (8.99e9(.45e9*.45e9)/(r)) = .03739725

Where I solve for r?
 
Oct18-12, 03:15 AM   #24
 
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So the number I just calculated is for the TME at r initial?
Yes, but since TME is conserved it is the value for any r.
 
Oct18-12, 03:19 AM   #25
 
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Should the new equation be:

1/2(.012)(0) + (.012)(9.8)(.06) + (8.99e9(.45e9*.45e9)/(r)) = .03739725

Where I solve for r?
Almost. But don't plug in any values for r. (Like your second term.)

(And make sure you use the right charges. .45μC = .45e-6C, not .45e9C.)
 
Oct18-12, 07:42 AM   #26
 
Alright, my final question is about the non mathematical part. Letters b-f (Correct me if im wrong). When the balls are released the top one should reach a max height and then float above the second one because they repel each other. But then what happens when the friction comes into play?
 
Oct19-12, 10:17 AM   #27
 
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When the balls are released the top one should reach a max height and then float above the second one because they repel each other.
I'd say that the top ball will reach a max height then fall back down to the lowest point again. It will keep oscillating, as energy is conserved.
But then what happens when the friction comes into play?
Eventually friction will dissipate the energy and the ball will end up at some equilibrium position.
 
Oct19-12, 11:01 AM   #28
 
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But then what happens when the friction comes into play?
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Eventually friction will dissipate the energy and the ball will end up at some equilibrium position.
This depends upon the height of the cylinder versus the equilibrium position of the top ball.

It may continue to oscillate above the cylinder.
 
Oct19-12, 11:32 AM   #29
 
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This depends upon the height of the cylinder versus the equilibrium position of the top ball.

It may continue to oscillate above the cylinder.
Good point.
 
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