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JamieL
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Nov26-12, 11:27 PM
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Hi all,
I'm looking at the joint pdf F(x,y) = (8+xy^3)/64) for -1<x<1 and -2<y<2
(A plot of it is here: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?...y+from+-2+to+2 ...sorry about the ugly url) and trying to find the marginal PDFs for X and Y.

I know I want to integrate the joint function with respect to Y and X in order to to get the marginal pdfs for X and Y, respectively. However, I'm running into trouble when I try to set the bounds for these integrals!
As far as I can tell, X and Y don't seem to depend on each other in this sense; i.e. for marginal(X) i would have Integral([JointPDF]dy), from -2 to 2, which comes out to 1/2.
(Similarly, integrating with respect to x from -1 to 1 yields 1/4).
When I integrate these from their respective bounds (x from -1 to 1, y from -2 to 2) both come out to 1, as a proper pdf should. However the fact that both are independent of x and y values makes me think something might be wrong...does anyone have any suggestions as to what I might be doing wrong?
Thanks so much!
Jamie

Edit: My apologies! Posted this to the wrong place! I can't figure out how to delete it though :x
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Stephen Tashi
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Nov27-12, 10:39 AM
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Quote Quote by JamieL View Post
Hi all,

As far as I can tell, X and Y don't seem to depend on each other in this sense; i.e. for marginal(X) i would have Integral([JointPDF]dy), from -2 to 2, which comes out to 1/2.
How did you get the integral with respect to y to come out to be a constant? It should be a function of x.
JamieL
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Nov27-12, 12:04 PM
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Maybe I'm mistaking, but as far as I can tell the indefinite integral comes out to:

(8y+(xy^4)/4)/64 + c. If you evaluate this from -2 to 2, the x terms cancel because the y is an even function, i.e. from -2 to 2 we get [(1/4)+16x]-[-(1/4)+16x], so (1/4)+(1/4)+16x-16x = 1/2.
This is what made me think that perhaps my bounds are incorrectly calculated...
Am I doing something wrong?

Stephen Tashi
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Nov27-12, 04:02 PM
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Marginal PDF from Joint PDF

Quote Quote by JamieL View Post
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Am I doing something wrong?
Not in the integration. (I'm the one who was confused about that.) But the fact that the conditional distributions are constant (and thus "independent" of the values of both variables) doesn't show that the x and y are independent random variables. If x and y were independent random variables then for each pair of sets [itex] A,B [/itex] that define events [itex] Pr(x \in A) = Pr(x \in A | y \in B) [/itex]

For example, consider the events [itex] A = \{x: x \in [0, 1]\},\ B = \{y: y \in [0,1]\} [/itex]
jakegoodman
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Nov28-12, 08:30 PM
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Still, what would the bounds be? A marginal pdf should not be a constant
Stephen Tashi
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Nov28-12, 09:30 PM
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A marginal pdf should not be a constant
I don't know any theorem that asserts that. Do you?
Aria1
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Nov28-12, 11:14 PM
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I think a marginal pdf would be constant if X and Y are uniformly distributed, but I'm not sure how to tell if they are in this case. Any input?


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