Use finite difference method to solve for eigenvalue Eby EigenCake Tags: difference, eigenvalue, finite, method, solve 

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Dec712, 02:33 PM

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Use finite difference method to solve for eigenvalue E from the following second order ODE:
 y'' + (x2/4) y = E y I discretize the equation so that it becomes yi1  [2 + h2(x2i/4)] yi + yi+1 =  E h2 yi where xi = i*h, and h is the distance between any two adjacent mesh points. This is my Matlab code:
E = N + 1/2 (for N = 0, 1, 2, 3...) The smallest eigenvalue should be 0.5, instead of 9.92985. I don't know whether my numerical solution agrees with the analytic solution or not, if I impose a boundary condition (ie. when x goes to infinity, y(x) should vanish to 0). And I don't know how to impose boundary condition. Please help, thank you very much! By the way, is there any another numerical way to find the eigenvalue E please? 



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Dec712, 06:44 PM

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Try a different value of n, and see if you get approximately the same eigenvalues. That is what I would expect, if your Matlab code is correct. Your first three eigenvalues from Matlab are almost in the ratio 1 : 4 : 9, which suggests they aren't "random numbers" but trying to tell you something. 



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Dec712, 08:02 PM

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Thank you so much for your reply, AlephZero!
Oh, I am sorry that I use the same letter to confuse people. In the code, n=27, which is the number of mesh points for discretized scheme; whereas E = n + 1/2 in which the n is just a finite interger starting from 0, in physics, this n is called quantum number. Since both n have different meanings, so I edit my main message by replacing E = n + 1/2 to E = N + 1/2. When I set n=177, my first three eigenvalues from Matlab are indeed approaching to the ratio 1 : 4 : 9. The following values are the first 6 eigenvalues.
However, the question is how to impose the boundary condition to my discretized scheme? Thank you so much! 



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Dec712, 11:02 PM

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Use finite difference method to solve for eigenvalue EI didn't read your code very carefully, but you seem to have something like y(0) = y(1) = 0. 



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Dec712, 11:31 PM

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However, all is not lost. Your grid of ##x## values has to start and end somewhere. Let's call the least and greatest ##x## values ##x_L## and ##x_R##. The program ignores ##y(x)## if ##x## is "outside the grid." That's the same result you'd get if you used boundary conditions ##y(x) = 0## unless ##x_L \leq x \leq x_R##. If you choose ##x_L, x_R## far enough to the left and right, then this is a pretty good approximation to the true boundary conditions. My rule of thumb: the program adds a particleinabox potential to whatever potential you assigned. So be sure to use a big box. 



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Dec812, 10:23 PM

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So imposing boundary condition is essential, and if we impose that, we will obtain a different result, very different from the result obtained by ignoring y(x) if x is outside of grid. Any another idea please? 



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Dec812, 11:12 PM

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As well as just taking a big interval for x, you might try transforming the equation by letting v = 1/x say. Then ##0 \le v \le 1## corresponds to ##1 \le x \le \infty##. So you could piece together a solution for ##0 \ge v \ge 1##, ##1 \le x \le 1##, ##1 \ge v \gt 0##. You would have to figure out how to set up the finite differences across the "boundary" between the x's and the v's. 



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Dec912, 10:39 PM

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Oh, gosh! I just realize that physics forum does not support "copy and paste" so that the equations on my first message are totally messed up. Here is the modified version. I hope people can see and understand this:
"Use finite difference method to solve for eigenvalue E from the following second order ODE:  y'' + ([itex]\frac{x^{2}}{4}[/itex]) y = E y I discretize the equation so that it becomes y[itex]_{i1}[/itex]  [2 + h[itex]^{2}[/itex](x[itex]^{2}[/itex][itex]_{i}[/itex]/4)] y[itex]_{i}[/itex] + y[itex]_{i+1}[/itex] =  E h[itex]^{2}[/itex] y[itex]_{i}[/itex] where x[itex]_{i}[/itex] = i*h, and h is the distance between any two adjacent mesh points. The question is that I don't know how impose boundary condition which is as x[itex]\rightarrow[/itex][itex]\infty[/itex], y(x) [itex]\rightarrow[/itex]0." 



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Dec912, 10:42 PM

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However, this is just a common trick. I wish to see more detailed and specific solution. 



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Dec1012, 01:20 PM

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I gave you an outline of how to set up the problem this way. If you want a complete solution given to you, sorry, but PF is the wrong place to ask. If you try to solve it that way yourself, and get stuck, then of course you can ask some more specific questions about what is wrong. 



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Dec1012, 02:41 PM

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This is NOT a homework! If this is a homework, then this homework must be TOO easy! Also, homework usually requires students to use a specific numerical method to solve problem. However, here this question does not restrict people to come up with a different method to solve the problem. Any methods in addition to finite difference method, as long as it is numerical method, are perfectly fine! It is a personal interest to find a numerical way to solve elementary problem. I have already provided my attempted solution on my very first message, and got stuck on imposing the boundary value. 


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