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Dec1012, 07:03 PM

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I have a function which depends say upon two variables: [itex] f(x,y) [/itex].
I need to find numerically the solution line [itex] y(x) [/itex] of the equation [itex] f(x,y) = 0 [/itex]. The function itself for arbitrary set of {x,y} may evaluate to some complex number (it involves lots of square roots) but for the solution I am seeking the imaginary part on the solution line should be zero. I understand that one in principal can scan through the whole region of {x,y} to get the curve but I need numerically efficient way to write the code. Thanks. 


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Dec1112, 03:21 AM

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Is f(x,y) differentiable analytically? I'll assume not, but I will assume it's continuous.
If you can feed in a feasible range for y(x_{0}) then you could program a binary chop on the values. (Do I need to explain that?) Having found one point on the line, (x_{0}, y_{0}), you could then search for solutions of f(x,y) = 0 where the (x,y)(x_{0}, y_{0}) = some small r. Again, you could do a binary chop on the direction from (x_{0}, y_{0}) to (x,y). 


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Dec1112, 12:35 PM

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What is "binary chop"?



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Dec1112, 07:56 PM

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Finding Numerically the solution line for an equation
If [itex]f(x_0, y_0)> 0[/itex] and [itex]f(x_1, y_1)< 0[/itex] then, because f is continuous, there must be a point between [itex](x_0, y_0)[/itex] and [itex](x_1, y_1)[/itex] where f is 0. We have no idea where so checking one point is as good as another use the midpoint, [itex](x_2, y_2)= ((x_0+ x_1)/2, (y_0+ y_1)/2)[/itex]. Now look at [itex]f(x_2, y_2)[/itex]. If it is 0, we are done! If not, it is either positive or negative. If it is positive, then, since [itex]f(x_1, y_1)< 0[/itex], there must be a solution between them. If it is negative, then, since [itex]f(x_0, y_0)> 0[/itex], there be a solution between them. In either case, define [itex](x_3, y_3)[/itex] to be the mid point of that interval.
That is, I think, what haruspex is calling a "binary chop". I would call it a "binary search". 


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Dec1112, 08:17 PM

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My concern is that f(x,y) does not evaluate necessarily to real value, it might as well be complex, so it being positive or negative is not well defined.



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OK, instead of doing the binary chop based on the sign of f, you can look for local minima of f. This is a bit trickier because you need to track three 'current' points. E.g. if f(x,y_{0}) > f(x,y_{1}) < f(x,y_{2}), y_{0} < y_{1} < y_{2}, then you know there is a min between y_{0} and y_{2}. So next pick y_{3} = (y_{0} + y_{2}). If f(x,y_{3}) > f(x,y_{1}) then you know there's one between y_{3} and y_{2}. But it might turn out to be > 0, and there could be a min between y_{0} and y_{3}.



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But not all local minima are the zeros



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And another problematic thing with what you suggest is that you have to literally scan all x values, the problem is like for single variable case. I was more looking to be able to dispense with scanning x fully.



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