Fourier Analysis of Angular Momentum Operator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Fourier analysis of the angular momentum operator, particularly focusing on the transformation of wavefunctions expressed in cylindrical coordinates. Participants explore the appropriate transform pairs for angular momentum space and the implications of quantization and boundary conditions on these transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a transform pair for angular momentum space, suggesting that the wavefunction in angular coordinates can be transformed similarly to momentum space.
  • Another participant notes that angular momentum is quantized, implying a preference for a sum over an integral in the transformation.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that the quantization arises from boundary conditions, specifically the periodicity of the wavefunction.
  • One participant discusses the orthogonality of functions in Fourier theory, suggesting that the basis for angular position is discrete, leading to a sum in the transform.
  • Another participant presents a specific form of the Schrödinger equation for a 1-D ring and proposes a transform pair, while noting that energy quantization is not achieved without including boundary conditions.
  • A later reply mentions that in central force problems, the angular part of the wavefunction has a discrete spectrum, which cannot be made continuous, although it approaches continuity at large angular momentum values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the transform for angular momentum should be an integral or a sum, reflecting a lack of consensus on the appropriate mathematical treatment. The discussion also highlights varying interpretations of quantization and boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the importance of boundary conditions in determining the quantization of energy levels, but the specifics of how these conditions translate into angular momentum space remain unresolved.

eNtRopY
Okay, if I want to do a Fourier Analysis of a wavefunction, I can use the following transform pairs for real space and momentum space.

Ψ(x) = (2π hbar)^(-1/2) * ∫ dp Φ(p) exp(ipx/hbar)

Φ(p) = (2π hbar)^(-1/2) * ∫ dx Ψ(x) exp(-ipx/hbar)

So, what I want to know is what is the appropriate transform pair for angular momentum.

Let's say that our real space wavefunction is expressed in terms of cylindrical coordinates, and we are only concerned with the angular term Ψ(θ).

Do we want to transform this into angular momentum space? Is this expression correct?

Ψ(θ) = (2π hbar)^(-1/2) * ∫ dL Φ(L) exp(iLθ/hbar)

eNtRopY
 
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eNtRopY, I'm no expert, but I remember dimly that angular momentum is always quantized, so I'd expect a sum rather than an integral.
 
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eNtRopY, I'm no expert, but I remember dimly that angular momentum is always quantized, so I'd expect a sum rather than an integral.

But it is only quantized because of the imposed boundary condition:

Ψ(θ=0) = Ψ(θ=2π).

Actually, that's part of what I'm trying to figure out... can we make the math tell us the integral is a sum... from momentum space?

eNtRopY
 
Maybe the clue is in what you call &phi(L) - angular momentum eigenstates, aren't they?

(I can't make the 'phi' show up...sorry)
 
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I think you need to step into the "why" of Fourier theory.


The reason the Fourier transform works is that the set of functions

{fω(t) = eiωt | ω real}

is an orthogonal basis of the function space. Because we have a single continuous real parameter, the Fourier transform takes the form of an integral over that parameter.


For angular position, we're not working with the entire space of functions; only those with a period dividing 2π. The basis for this space is only those basis vectors above that have a period dividing 2π, i.e.:

{fn(t) = e2πit/n | n a nonzero integer} U {f(t) = 1}

Here, the parameter is discrete, so the transform takes the form of a sum over n. (which is just an integeral with a different metric)

Well, to be more precise, the transform in one direction will be integrated over [0..2π] and the transform in the other direction will be a sum
 
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Okay, here's what I have so far... For a 1-D ring of radius r0, we know the Schrödinger equation looks like this:

d2/dθ2 Ψ(θ) + ((2 m r02 E)/hbar2) * Ψ(θ) = 0.

Now, since I know the solution a priori, it's not a problem for me to assume the following transform pair:

Ψ(θ) = (2πhbar)-1/2 ∫ dl Φ(l) exp(ilθ)

and

Φ(l) = (2πhbar)-1/2 ∫ dθ Ψ(θ) exp(-ilθ).

So, I can use Fourier transforms to convert the differential equation to:

-l2Φ(l) + ((2 m r02 E)/hbar2) * Φ(l) = 0.

We can then easily solve for l:

l2 = ((2 m r02 E)/hbar2).

This is exactly what we wanted, but the energy is not quantized at this point because we haven't included the boundary condition.

E = (hbar2 l2)/(2 m r02)

We can clear up this problem by using the boundary condition we were given (the one in real space):

Ψ(0) = Ψ(2π).

However, I feel like there must be a way to convert the boundary condition to l-space.

Thanks.

eNtRopY
 
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In central force problems

which includes all conservative systems, and the hydrogen atom in particular, you can separate the wavefunction into radial and angular parts, and the angular part always has a discrete spectrum. There is no way to make the spectrum continuous. However in the limit of large L the system behaves like it is nearly continuous, and that, you may recall, was the basis of Bohr's Corresponence Principle.
 
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