Test Your Math Skills: 50/50 Guess Game

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the concept of "50/50" and its relationship to percentages, rationality, and the nature of numbers, particularly focusing on the irrational number pi. Participants explore various mathematical ideas, including symmetry in numbers, the definition of fractions, and the implications of these concepts in a broader context.

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  • Some participants assert that "fifty-fifty" means taking half each, while others argue that it equates to the fraction 50/50, which equals 1.
  • A participant introduces the idea of symmetry in numbers, suggesting that both rational and irrational numbers can be represented in a certain way.
  • There is a claim that the irrational number pi can exist within a fraction, leading to discussions about its nature and whether it can equal 1.
  • Some participants express confusion about the definitions and implications of the statements made, particularly regarding the existence of pi in fractions.
  • One participant challenges others to prove their claims wrong, indicating a willingness to engage in debate.
  • Several posts express skepticism about the clarity and rigor of the mathematical arguments presented.
  • Discussions about quantum mechanics and its relation to the concepts of rationality and irrationality are introduced, though the relevance is debated.
  • Some participants suggest that the topic may not be suitable for discussion, indicating a lack of consensus on its value.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the interpretation of "50/50," the nature of pi, and the validity of the mathematical arguments presented. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing debates and differing perspectives.

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There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and assumptions regarding the nature of numbers and their relationships. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of concepts.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring mathematical philosophy, the nature of numbers, and the intersection of mathematics with concepts in physics, particularly quantum mechanics.

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Decimal 5 = 50 percent.
50 percercent is written 50/50, fifty/fifty.

Are you closer to 50 percent or one ?

I say one. But I may be wrong. What do you think ?

What are the implications of your answer ?
 
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Fifty-fifty does not mean the fraction 50/50. The value of that fraction is 1. Fifty-fifty means you take half (50%) and I'll take half. Even steven (which does not refer to Steven Hawking).
 
"50/50"

There is the symmetry of 1) Ratio, 2)Irrational.

If symmetry does exist in the irrational, the numerator is also the denominator.

I have to go. But think on that.
 
The idea is. Symmetry is 1.) Rational. 2.) Irrational.

Since this is true. 50/50, can be represented by this graphic.

O/O

This is either 1.) Rational. Or 2.) Irrational. Or 3.) Both Irrational + Rational.

If it is both Rational + Irrational. It can be both, or either.

I say, it is the rational number 1.
 
This is all a joke, right?
 
HallsofIvy said:
This is all a joke, right?

Nope. :redface:
 
I'm very sorry to hear that. :frown:
 
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HallsofIvy said:
I'm very sorry to hear that. :frown:

The fact of the matter is the irrational number pi, can be symmetric through rational numbers.

1=1

Edit.

[Rational 50/50 = Irrational 50/50] = Real Numbers; 1
 
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Sorry but you need to stop and realize you do not have any rigorous understanding of mathematics and you need to sit down and read a lot if you want.

The number system we use has been carefully constructed over a long period of time, we don't just take philosophical ideas randomly and turn them into mathematics with no real idea of what they mean.
 
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I can't understand what you're saying.

Could you please try again, it's not very clear right now.
 
  • #11
I'm trying not to influence mankind. But...I like to talk. So, I'll reiterate myself.

# 1.) Symmetry functions with 1.

edit
# 2.) The irrational number 1 pi / The irrational number 1 pi = 1 / 1
 
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grey22 said:
I'm trying not to influence mankind...

But i get the feeling some very powerful drugs are trying to influence you:-p
 
  • #13
grey22 said:
I'm trying not to influence mankind. But...I like to talk. So, I'll reiterate myself.

# 1.) Symmetry functions with 1.

# 2.) 1 pi / 1 pi = 1 / 1
Please explain what that means, I have no idea what the first means and I am going to guess in the second you are trying to write:

[tex]\frac{1*\pi}{1*\pi} = \frac{1}{1}[/tex]

Which makes sense as:

[tex]\frac{1}{1} = 1 \quad \text{and} \quad 1*a=a[/tex]

and:

[tex]\frac{a}{a} = 1 \quad \forall a \in \mathbb{R} \backslash \{ 0 \}[/tex]
 
  • #14
I'm showing a way to classify real numbers.

1 Pi / 1 Pi = 1 / 1

OR.

O / O = 1 / 1
Where O Is the description of Pi.
 
  • #15
Are you a poli-sci major or something?
 
  • #16
Strange... Are you aware of you cannot express Pi in the form [itex]\frac {a}{b}[/itex]. That is called irrational. Or are you implifing something else?
 
  • #17
If Pi cannot be symmetrically expressed within a fraction, how can pi(edit.The irrational number pi) exist within a fraction ?

And then, if pi can be expressed within a fraction, can't that fraction equal 1.

And NO. I am no polical Scientist.
 
  • #18
grey22 said:
If Pi cannot be symmetrically expressed within a fraction, how can pi(edit.The irrational number pi) exist within a fraction ?

And then, if pi can be expressed within a fraction, can't that fraction equal 1.

And NO. I am no polical Scientist.

Pi must (edit. Symmetrically)exist within a fraction, TO EQUAL PI.

That fraction can equal 1. The irrational number pi / The irrational number pi; 1 / 1.
 
  • #19
I'm patiently waiting for somebody to prove me wrong. I don't care if I'm wrong. So, go on. Go and prove me wrong. :shy:
 
  • #20
Sorry, but I don't understand this... Why 50% = 50/50? This is just terribly wrong, isn't it??
Viet Dao,
 
  • #21
Please define what it means for a number to "exist within a fraction".
 
  • #22
VietDao29 said:
Sorry, but I don't understand this... Why 50% = 50/50? This is just terribly wrong, isn't it??
Viet Dao,

I think 50% ~ 1.
And, 50/50 = 1

I said, initially.
"Decimal 5 = 50 percent.
50 percercent is written 50/50, fifty/fifty."

So, the ~ 1, is written as 1, or 50/50.

I then said.
"Are you closer to 50 percent or one ?"

If your closer to 50%, how can the irrational number pi, exist within a fraction ?
If your closer to 1, than to 50%, the irrational number pi, can exist within a fraction, or 1.

Or course 1 irrational number pi equals itself. Written within a fraction, where it equals 1. Or else 1/1 = 50%, > 1.
 
  • #23
If you define "exist in" as: [tex]\frac {x * \pi}{y * \pi}[/tex] Pi/Pi = 1. So the only thing that exist in the fraction is x/y...

But I agreed with you; this question is quite confusing.
 
  • #24
x% is defined as x% = x/100

And as for Pi, well:

[tex]\pi = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} 4\sum_{r=0}^n \frac{(-1)^r}{2r + 1}[/tex]

That's how you define Pi without defining it as a fraction (as it can't be defined as a fraction p/q where p and q are integers).

Edit[/color]: Made a mistake in my definition of Pi, please note that the mistake is quoted in the post below.
 
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Zurtex said:
[tex]\pi = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{r=0}^n \frac{(-1)^r}{2r + 1}[/tex]

That's how you define Pi without defining it as a fraction

If you cannot define the irrational number pi within a fraction, how can it be defined within a fraction ?
Or.
(O) The irrational number pi / (O) The irrational number pi

And if it cannot exist within a fraction, it cannot equal itself

Exist within which fraction ? How about quantum mechanics uncertainty principle. The irrational number pi is a fraction that equals one.
The uncertainty principle is uncertain if the irrational number pi, is as I say it is. So it's not uncertain at all. 1 certainly equals 1. Digital quantum mechanics.

I'm sorry I can't be more eloquent. But, this is the state of things presently.
God does not roll dice.
 
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  • #26
See kids?

LSD isn't as cool as Hunter Thompson makes it seem.
 
  • #27
grey22 said:
If you cannot define the irrational number pi within a fraction, how can it be defined within a fraction ?
Or.
(O) The irrational number pi / (O) The irrational number pi

And if it cannot exist within a fraction, it cannot equal itself

Exist within which fraction ? How about quantum mechanics uncertainty principle. The irrational number pi is a fraction that equals one.
The uncertainty principle is uncertain if the irrational number pi, is as I say it is. So it's not uncertain at all. 1 certainly equals 1. Digital quantum mechanics.

I'm sorry I can't be more eloquent. But, this is the state of things presently.
God does not roll dice.

All numbers, x, that exist in the real set satisfy the property:

[tex]\frac{x}{1} = x[/tex]

That says nothing about whether or not they are rational.

Quantum mechanics is an application of mathematics, its laws are models which attempt to explain how particles work, not numbers.
 
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  • #28
Look at this image.

The definition for "Squared", not "Cubed".
The Squared root for pi, in a definition where the irrational number pi may be = 1 or .5
 

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  • #29
Zurtex said:
Quantum mechanics is ...

I'm not deferentialing from quantum theory, mechanics, etc... I'm just using a refference to use the uncertainty principle.

Zurtex said:
That says nothing about whether or not they are rational.

So it may be the irrational number pi...
 
  • #30
I think this topic should be deleted.
 

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