Consciousness and Quantum Mechanics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between biophotons and consciousness, exploring the potential significance of biophoton emissions in biological systems and their implications for understanding neural networks and consciousness. The scope includes theoretical considerations, speculative connections, and challenges related to the concept of biophotons in the context of neuroscience and holistic health.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that biophotons, as weak electromagnetic emissions from living cells, could play a role in cellular communication and consciousness.
  • One participant suggests that understanding brain processes as wave-functions related to biophotons might allow for measuring consciousness across different species.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the feasibility of biophoton communication given environmental light interference and the penetration limitations of visible light in tissues.
  • A participant estimates the resonance of DNA/RNA to have a specific wavelength that could relate to mutagenesis, linking it to biophoton interactions.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the validity of biophoton theories, questioning their scientific grounding and relevance in peer-reviewed literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of speculative ideas and skepticism regarding the concept of biophotons and their connection to consciousness. No consensus is reached, with some advocating for the potential significance of biophotons while others challenge the validity of these claims.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the understanding of biophoton interactions, including assumptions about their role in cellular communication and the effects of external light sources. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainty and debate regarding the scientific basis of biophoton theories.

RuroumiKenshin
On pf 2.0, (i believe it was Lurch) posted a thread on biophotons. He just wanted to know what they were, but I would like to know your thoughts on how biophotons are of any importance to us. IOW, how it is that they can be incorporated with consciousness, and basically our neural network.


Biophotons, or ultraweak photon emissions of biological systems, are weak electromagnetic waves in the optical range of the spectrum - in other words: light. All living cells of plants, animals and human beings emit biophotons which cannot be seen by the naked eye but can be measured by special equipment developed by German researchers.

This light emission is an expression of the functional state of the living organism and its measurement therefore can be used to assess this state. Cancer cells and healthy cells of the same type, for instance, can be discriminated by typical differences in biophoton emission. After an initial decade and a half of basic research on this discovery, biophysicists of various European and Asian countries are now exploring the many interesting applications which range across such diverse fields as cancer research, non-invasive early medical diagnosis, food and water quality testing, chemical and electromagnetic contamination testing, cell communication, and various applications in biotechnology.

According to the biophoton theory developed on the base of these discoveries the biophoton light is stored in the cells of the organism - more precisely, in the DNA molecules of their nuclei - and a dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA may connect cell organelles, cells, tissues, and organs within the body and serve as the organism's main communication network and as the principal regulating instance for all life processes. The processes of morphogenesis, growth, differentiation and regeneration are also explained by the structuring and regulating activity of the coherent biophoton field. The holographic biophoton field of the brain and the nervous system, and maybe even that of the whole organism, may also be basis of memory and other phenomena of consciousness, as postulated by neurophysiologist Karl Pribram an others. The consciousness-like coherence properties of the biophoton field are closely related to its base in the properties of the physical vacuum and indicate its possible role as an interface to the non-physical realms of mind, psyche and consciousness.

The discovery of biophoton emission also lends scientific support to some unconventional methods of healing based on concepts of homeostasis (self-regulation of the organism), such as various somatic therapies, homeopathy and acupuncture. The "ch'i" energy flowing in our bodies' energy channels (meridians) which according to Traditional Chinese Medicine regulates our body functions may be related to node lines of the organism's biophoton field. The "prana" of Indian Yoga physiology may be a similar regulating energy force that has a basis in weak, coherent electromagnetic biofields.


Background

First discovered in 1923 by Russian medical scientist Professor Alexander G.Gurvich (who named them "mitogenetic rays") and in the 1930s widely researched in Europe and the USA, biophotons have been rediscovered and backed since the 1970s by ample experimental and theoretical evidence by European scientists. In 1974 German biophysicist Fritz-Albert Popp has proved their existence, their origin from the DNA and later their coherence (laser-like nature), and has developed biophoton theory to explain their possible biological role and the ways in which they may control biochemical processes, growth, differentiation etc. Popp's biophoton theory leads to many startling insights into the life processes and may well provide one of the major elements of a future theory of life and holistic medical practice based on such an approach. The importance of the discovery has been confirmed by eminent scientists such as Herbert Froehlich and Nobel laureate Ilya Prigogine. Since 1992, the International Institute of Biophysics, a network of research laboratories in more than 10 countries, based in Germany, is coordinating research in this field which promises rapid development in the next decade.
 
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Did you have any ideas, Majin, as to how to incorporate the concept of biophotons, with that of consciousness?
 
Well maybe the fact that our brains do use electricity. But other than that, no. That's why I posted it here, so pf members could help me brainstorm. Do you have any ideas?
 
Well, I think that if scientists can understand all of the processes of the brain as a wave-function (perhaps of these biophotons), then one of those processes would be consciousness. Perhaps they'll then be able to measure the different levels of consiousness, not only of different humans, but also of other species of animal.
 
I estimate the resonance of DNA/RNA to have right-circularly polarized wavelength equal to the linear distance between complete turns of those molecules, 34 Angstroms (in the ultraviolet), a point of potential mutagenesis.

You may wish to visit my website (see the "www" button, below) for the article "Neurophysiological Uncertainty."
 
OK, the first thing I think:
"biophotons stored in DNA, used by as a dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA may connect cell organelles, cells, tissues, and organs within the body and serve as the organism's main communication network"
..right..

Problem one: we live in an environment immersed in light, how can you explain that the body doesn't react to exogeneous photons?

Problem two: visible light doesn't penetrate a layer of cells very well, how is it possible that tissues and organs are able to communicate by biophotons?
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
I estimate the resonance of DNA/RNA to have right-circularly polarized wavelength equal to the linear distance between complete turns of those molecules, 34 Angstroms (in the ultraviolet), a point of potential mutagenesis.

You may wish to visit my website (see the "www" button, below) for the article "Neurophysiological Uncertainty."

I am sorry, I don't get what you are saying: do you mean that the wavelength of the biophoton needs to be 34 A in order for DNA to respond to the signal? And what do you mean by: a point of potential mutagenesis?
 
Monique-

Think of DNA as a having a sine function that describes its spiraling. The distance between successive crests of its sugar-phosphate backbone is 34 Angstroms. Such a wavelength may signify a critical point of resonance with photons in the ultraviolet, analogous to winds twisting and breaking the Tacoma Narrows bridge in Washington state circa 1940.
 
Thank you, but, resonating DNA is something real or a product of imagination?
 
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My patent is pending. :wink:
 
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I *really* think this "biophoton" thing is extremely crackpotty.

I do not doubt that the emmission of photons from cells but, as a general rule, "theories" that attempt to explain "soul", "consciousness", and that mix scientific terms with new age concepts, "life energies" and the like, are not sound.

Also, a quick search on the Science and Nature sites for "biophotons" returned no results. If this was for real, you would expect some serious studies to have been published in peer-reviewed journals (especially since, according to one website, this "biophotons" have been around for over half a century).
 

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