How to satisfy Laplace's equation ?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions and understanding of Laplace's equation, particularly focusing on harmonic functions, their properties, and the implications of different domains (open vs closed) on the satisfaction of the equation. Participants explore theoretical aspects, definitions, and examples related to harmonicity and the behavior of functions under various conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the definition of harmonic functions and suggests that if a function can be differentiated twice, it is harmonic, questioning if this implies that \nabla^2V equals zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that a function is harmonic in a domain if it satisfies Laplace's equation in that domain.
  • A question is raised about the conditions under which Laplace's equation is not satisfied, specifically regarding discontinuities in functions and their boundaries.
  • It is noted that a function must be of class C² on the domain, and if the domain is open, boundary conditions are not required.
  • A participant inquires about the implications of closed domains on boundary conditions and whether Laplace's equation can only be satisfied in open domains.
  • Another participant states that the equation remains the same regardless of whether the domain is open or closed, but the requirements on the function may vary.
  • A contribution discusses the relationship between complex differentiable functions and harmonic functions, mentioning that the real part of any analytic function is harmonic and exploring the physical meaning of harmonicity.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate that not all C² functions are harmonic, emphasizing the maximum principle associated with harmonic functions.
  • A historical note is made regarding the classical theory of holomorphic functions and the Dirichlet principle, referencing significant contributions from mathematicians like Riemann, Neumann, and Hilbert.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for harmonicity and the implications of domain types on the satisfaction of Laplace's equation. There is no consensus on the specific requirements or definitions, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of harmonic functions and the varying requirements based on the type of domain. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these factors on the satisfaction of Laplace's equation.

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Hi

I am not quit sure I have understand the laplace equation correctly. I hope some one can help me with it.

As far as I understand if we are able to differentiate any function twice, then the function is harmonic.

so we assume [tex]V(x,y)[/tex] is harmonic because of the above.

Does it means that [tex]\nabla ^2V[/tex] is consequently equal to zero ?

How would V behave if

[tex]\nabla ^2V>0[/tex]
and
[tex]\nabla ^2V<0[/tex]
?

thanku
 
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Nope,a function is harmonic on a domain if it is a solution of Laplace equation in that domain.

Daniel.
 
so for which conditions are the Laplace equation not satisfied ?

Is it only at discontinuities in some region of a function and discontinuities at the boundaries of a function ?
 
One requirement is that the function be [itex]C^{2}[/itex] class on that domain.If that domain is open,you don't have any boundary conditions.

Daniel.
 
what if the domain is closed ? how are the boundary conditions in this case ?

Or the equation can only be satisfied under open domains?
 
It doesn't matter whether the domain is open or closed,the equation is the same,but the requirements on the function may differ from one case to another.

Daniel.
 
take any complex differentiable function, i.e. any analytic function such as a complex polynomial. then the real part is harmonic, and vice versa.

the property of harmonicity has a physical meaning with respect to perhaps the distribution of temperature in a disc.

certainly not all C^2 functions are harmonic. for one thing harmonic functions have the famous maximum principle satisfied by holomorphic i.e. analytic functions, they never take their maximum on any open set. (i think.)


e.g. let us consider z^2 = (x+iy)^2 = x^2 -y^2 + 2ixy. then x^2 -y^2 and also xy are harmonic, but just x^2 is not harmonic because the second derivative wrt x is 2, while the second deriv wrt y is 0. so they are not negatives of each other.

in the classical theory of holomorphic functions, proving they exist (with certain boundary properties) was done first by proving harmonic functions exist.

this is the famous Dirichlet principle, assumed by riemann and proved by Neumann and Hilbert, and others.

there is a beautiful treatment in the wonderful trilogy of books by c.l.siegel, "topics in complex analysis", where he essentially goes through riemann's thesis and part of his work on abelian functions and provides almost all rigorous details for riiemann's claims, especially in siegel's chapters 2 and 4.
 
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