A new energy

zoobyshoe

Dal,
I thought Gale was a girl.

I thought my answer was plenty
philosophical: the concept of
mind is a no brainer: no brain =
no mind.

-zoob

Dal

Of course. Her avatar is pretty obvious. My clumsy mistake.[:D]

Dal

Are you saying that you want to move this thread into pseudo?[t)]

Zero

I don't have that power, but I think it might fit in better there.

Mattius_

In my opinion, you need to get a good grip on what free will is/isnt; i think free will(or lack thereof) has alot to do with the metaphysical state of the mind. also, find out what differentiates a living being from a inorganic being.

my two cents...

zoobyshoe

Hold on, you have change coming.

hypnagogue

Where did you read this?

zoobyshoe

Hypnagogue,

Life Science Library: The Mind
Time-Life Books 1964

Page 38:

"After decerebration, a simple animal like a frog can see, jump
and engage in sexual activity, al-
though it loses its spontaneous
liveliness. A cat loses many more
functions. Depending on the area
removed, it may become totally rigid and lose its sence of touch.
It may recover its ability to walk
but seem reluctant to move. It
may sit indefinitly untill set in
motion by the experimenter.In man
the loss f both cerebral hemi-
spheres invariably results in
death."

hypnagogue

That is interesting, thanks for the post. One thing that catches my attention though, they say "depending on the area removed..." That leads me to believe that they are in effect lobotomizing the cat rather than removing its entire brain. Do you know any more specifics?

zoobyshoe

Hypnogoue,
That was all. I noticed that part
too as I was copying it here for
you. I had missed it the first
time. From the last sentence about
humans I believe all removals were
limited to the cerebral hemi-
spheres and didn't include the
brainstem.

-zoob

Gale

First off, thanks everyone for replying, when i first posted this no one responded, but now you've all given me a lot of good information to work with. Also, i've been on vacation so thats why i haven't replied sooner.

so first, what i need is just general information that'll hopefully lead me to a more specified study. Which, is where i want to 'go' I've just begun a lot of study to a lot of various things and the common denominator is like some unknown force.




1- I don't know that it's only humans, i'm just sort of assuming so. To me, the mind (not just the brain) separates animal from man.
2- I don't know. I'm looking to find out, and if there is none, i intend to attempt at trying to experiment myself.


But again thanks all, that info is helpful. for now, i'm just studying and reading and learning all i can about anything i think might lead me in the right directions. I just have a lot of vauge questions right now, so i'm hoping that by learning more, i'll be able to narrow my questions and get some answers.

(and thanks zoob for clarifying my gender[;)] )

Zantra

I was kinda confused to until you posted that gif.

Pic kinda makes it a dead giveway[;)]

russ_watters

The cerebrum is a specific part of the brain - the part that concious thought resides in.

zoobyshoe

Russ,

There is no one part of the brain
responsible for conscious thought.

Thought is the result of many
different areas working in co-
opertion. The cerebrum is huge,
most of our brains are cerebrum.

Howstuffworks "How Your Brain Works"
Address:http://science.howstuffworks.com/brain2.htm Changed:11:08 AM on Sunday, August 10, 2003

Consciousness itself is managed
by an organ called the thalamus
which is part of the limbic sys-
tem.

-zoob

FZ+

Maybe you might notice that these are *fiction* writers?

In any case, a warning. The mystical sense of "energy", or "lifeforce" does not correspond to the physical ideas of energy, and force.

My bet is on the negative.

How do you know animals don't have a mind? All evidence suggests that they too have sentience, and complexity of thought, only to a lesser degree.

How do you know humans in general have minds?

(Think about the questions. They are much harder than you think)