Classical and quantum mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the differences between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, exploring their foundational concepts, implications, and interpretations. It includes theoretical comparisons and conceptual clarifications regarding the nature of particles and waves in both frameworks.

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  • Some participants propose that classical mechanics deals with macroscopic quantities and assumes particles have definite positions and trajectories, while quantum mechanics focuses on probabilities regarding particles' locations and properties.
  • Others argue that quantum mechanics provides a more detailed understanding of matter, suggesting that classical problems can be addressed using quantum principles, especially when considering large numbers of particles.
  • A participant highlights that quantum mechanics is fundamentally about waves, asserting that classical concepts like momentum and position are not directly applicable in the same way.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that quantum mechanics is solely about waves, stating that waves and particles are two aspects of the same phenomenon, with the Schrödinger equation being a key mathematical tool.
  • There are suggestions regarding experimental methods to measure wave functions, indicating ongoing discussions about the nature of waves in quantum mechanics.
  • A later reply distinguishes between the quantum amplitude wave, which exists in an abstract mathematical space, and the physical wave nature of particles, emphasizing the experimental visibility of the latter.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the interpretation of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the relationship between waves and particles, and whether certain concepts can be reconciled. The discussion remains unresolved with no clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion between different types of waves in quantum mechanics, highlighting the complexity of the subject and the need for careful definitions and distinctions.

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can anyone tell me the difference between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics??
 
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Originally posted by shankar
can anyone tell me the difference between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics??


Roughly - Classical mechanics deals with quantities on a macroscopic scale and quantum mechanics deals with quantities on a sub atomic scale.

Classical mechanics use the idea that a particle is at a particular place at a given time and thus uses the concept of a trajectory. Quantum mechanics deals only with probabilities of where a partilce will be found, the momentum and energy it will have etc.

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Quantum mechanics is the more detailed and more correct accounting of the "what and why" of matter. All classical problems can be solved using quantum rules, but when your dealing with large numbers of particles, the "probabilities" of quantum mechanics start to appear to be more absolute.

For example, in quantum mechanics, you would be interested in what happens to a single neutron. Depending on the condition, there are various probabilities to the outcomes (80% likely to do this, 20% likely to do that).

When you have billions of billions of billions of particles, the most probable things seem dominant and the least probable things go unnoticed {WARNING: QUANTUM OVERSIMPLIFICATION} Who cares if a few of your electrons suddenly "tunnel" into the next galaxy. THere goes one right now! But you're fine, because most of the rest did what we expected them to do.
 
Quantum mechanics deals with things very differently to classical mechanics. Quantum is all about waves, the dynamics of all things is determined by waves. Classical things like momentum and position don't have the same meaning, they are just borrowed terms. A typical example is spin, this is an intrinsic property of particles, but it doesn't mean the particle actualy spins. However, for waves with short wavelength, things get classical. Its like rays in optics. You can think about how a magnifying glass works just with a simple ray picture, you don't need to worry about interference of the light due to its wave nature. You can't explane diffraction in the same way.
 
Quantum is all about waves, the dynamics of all things is determined by waves.
Er... no. A key conclusion of QM is that waves and particles are just different sides of the same coin. Mathematically, Schrödinger wave equations are ultimately equivalent to quantum particle equations. The Schrödinger equation gets most limelight because it is generally considered as easier, and making more sense.
 
Actualy there are sugestions on how to measure wave functions experimentaly. Mathematicaly you done need them its true. And I don't think there are any final conclusions about waves and particles.
 
These questions always risk a confusion between the quantum amplitude wave - the thing that is supposed to collapse - and the wave nature of the particle. The particle's wave nature is a real thing that exists in spacetime and has physical things - like diffraction - happen to it. The amplitude "wave" is a thing expressed in complex numbers, that cannot be a thing in spacetime, and exists primarily in an abstract Hilbert Space. Operators act on it and produce "eigenvalues" and these eigenvalues generate the probabilities that something will happen in spacetime.

It is possible to imagine the amplitude is just a mathematical construct, part of a calculating algorithm. But the wave nature is experimentlly visible.
 

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