Use the known area of a circle to find the value of the integral

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The discussion revolves around using the known area of a circle to evaluate a specific integral, specifically the integral from -a to a of the function sqrt(a^2-x^2)dx. Participants also explore how to apply the result of this integral to find the area enclosed by the ellipse defined by the equation (x^2)/(a^2)+(y^2)/(b^2)= 1, where a>b>0.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests assistance in evaluating the integral of sqrt(a^2-x^2)dx from -a to a.
  • Another suggests using the substitution x=asinu to simplify the integral.
  • A participant questions the clarity of the problem regarding the enclosed area of the ellipse, indicating confusion over the formulation presented.
  • One participant explains that the integral represents the area under the curve of the upper half of a circle, linking it to the area of a circle and suggesting that the integral evaluates to πa²/2.
  • Another participant expresses confusion and requests further clarification on how to integrate the first problem and find the area of the ellipse.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to interpret the integral in the context of the area of a circle rather than performing standard integration techniques.
  • There is a suggestion to rewrite the ellipse equation to facilitate finding the area using the previously determined integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the problem, with some agreeing on the interpretation of the integral as an area under a curve, while others remain confused about the formulation and application to the ellipse area. No consensus is reached on the best approach to solve the problems presented.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions and potential misunderstandings regarding the formulation of the ellipse equation. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the integral and its application to the area of the ellipse.

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Someone please show me how to do the problem below, thanks very much.
1)***Use the known area of a circle to find the value of the integral
integral from -a to a of the function sqrt(a^2-x^2)dx.
2)***Then use the result of this integral to find the enclosed area of (x^2)/(a^2)+(y^2)/(b^2)= 1, a>b>0.
Plz show me how to integrate #1
 
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Use the substitution x=asinu so that sqrt(a2-x2)=acosu.
 
Originally posted by gigi9
***Then use the result of this integral to find the enclosed area of (x^2)/(a^2)+(y^2)/(b^2), a>b>0.

The enclosed area of what?
 
***Use the known area of a circle to find the value of the integral
integral from -a to a of the function sqrt(a^2-x^2)dx. ***

You know that the definite integral of a positive function is the area between its graph and the x-axis right? What is the graph of sqrt(a^2-x^2)?
 
still confused..explain more please
 
You seem to have serious problems with basic concepts- as illustrated by your saying "Then use the result of this integral to find the enclosed area of (x^2)/(a^2)+(y^2)/(b^2), a>b>0."
I presume that you copied this from some problem but you even copied wrong. "(x^2)/(a^2)+(y^2)/(b^2)" does not enclose anything- it is not a graph nor a function nor an equation. I suspect that you book had "(x^2)/(a^2)+(y^2)/(b^2)= 1", the equation of an ellipse.

As for the first problem: If you are expected to be able to do integrals, then you should already know that a basic interpretation of "integral" is "area under a curve". The function y= sqrt(a^2-x^2)dx is the upper half of the circle x^2+ y^2= a^2 (you can see that by squaring both sides of the given equation). Since the circle has area πa2, the semi-circle has area πa2/2 and that is the value of the integral of the function.

Now that you know that integral, solve (x^2)/(a^2)+(y^2)/(b^2)= 1 for y and apply that knowledge.
 
please show me how to integrate the 1st one...and how to find the enclosed area of the second one please...(maybe the first few step or something to get me started...) Thanks a lot.
 
Go back and read problem 1 again. Even though you typed it in here, apparently you did not understand what it was asking you to do.
You are, specifically, to use the formula for area of a circle to find the integral- NOT to "integrate the 1st one" in the usual sense.

As I said before, once you have found that integral, rewrite
x^2/a^2+ y^2/b^2= 1 as y= b√(1- x^2/a^2)= (b/a)√(a^2- x^2) (this is the top half of the ellipse) and use the integral in the first problem (or simply the formula for area of a circle) to find the area of an ellipse.
 

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