The motion of an object acted on by a time-dependent, position-dependent force?

In summary, the conversation discusses solving for the motion of an object under the influence of a time-dependent, position-dependent force. An example problem is given involving a bead on a wire with a net force acting along the wire. The force is represented by a function and the bead starts at rest. The question asks about the position of the bead after 30 seconds and how to solve this problem numerically. The conversation also mentions using the forward-Euler method for short intervals and suggests alternative methods for greater accuracy and stability.
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Is there a non-iterative way to solve for the motion of an object under the influence of a time-dependent, position-dependent force?

Here is an example problem:


A bead on a straight wire is subjected to a net force.
There is no friction between the bead and the wire.
The bead and the wire do not experience any gravitational forces.
The bead has a mass of 1kg.

The net force acts along the wire, and is position and time dependent. It can be represented as

F = 9x2 + 5xt - 10t2

The bead starts at rest at x = 0.

Where is the bead after 30 seconds have elapsed?

How would one go about solving a problem like this numerically?
 
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Hi,
Sadly there's no way around it :(...(due to the presence of squared and multiplied elements on the right hand side).
This question however, is very reasonably stable using a simple, forward-Euler method. In other words,
[tex]
\Large
x'(t) = \frac{(x_{n+1}-x_n)}{\delta t}
x''(t) = \frac{x'_{n+1}-x'_{n}}{\delta t}
[/tex]
And substituting accordingly leads to very accurate and tolerable results.
Have you tried using Mathematica, or Matlab? This can also be effectively modeled in C/C++ or any other programming language.
I hope that helps,
Daniel
 
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Sadly, the forward Euler method is often unstable and should almost never be used for solving a DE over s long interval. That's why so many alternative methods (such as Runge-Kutta, etc.) have been developed.

RGV
 
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Oh, I definitely agree... but for short intervals, as is required in the query, as well as just for introductory means, it should work well enough...
Of course, moving on to Runge-Kutta, or some implicit methods should elucidate any issues with accuracy, stability, so forth...
Daniel
 

1. What is a time-dependent, position-dependent force?

A time-dependent, position-dependent force is a type of force that changes in strength or direction as time passes and/or as the object's position changes. This means that the force acting on the object is not constant and can vary depending on different factors.

2. How does a time-dependent, position-dependent force affect the motion of an object?

A time-dependent, position-dependent force can affect the motion of an object by changing its velocity and/or direction of motion. This means that the object may speed up, slow down, or change direction as the force changes.

3. Can a time-dependent, position-dependent force be calculated or predicted?

Yes, a time-dependent, position-dependent force can be calculated or predicted using mathematical equations and principles such as Newton's laws of motion. However, it may be more complex to calculate compared to a constant force.

4. What are some examples of time-dependent, position-dependent forces?

Examples of time-dependent, position-dependent forces include a rocket engine's thrust, a car's acceleration, and a pendulum's swinging motion. These forces change in strength and direction as time passes and/or as the object's position changes.

5. How do scientists study the motion of an object acted on by a time-dependent, position-dependent force?

Scientists study the motion of an object acted on by a time-dependent, position-dependent force by conducting experiments, making observations, and using mathematical models to analyze and understand the behavior of the object. They may also use computer simulations to study and predict the motion of such objects.

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