Relativity fails with quantum particles?

In summary, the problem with special relativity seems to be that an object which is commonly used to support the theory, the interstellar muon, does not obey the theory as expected. The problem is resolved by using relativity of simultaneity, which states that the muon sees the same amount of time inside and outside the spaceship.
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PeterNoodles
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It seems to me there is a problem with special relativity - at least involving a particle which is commonly used as evidence to support it! Am I missing something?

Here it is:
A spaceship is stationary in space next to the moon. An interstellar muon traveling near the speed of light passes through the front of the ship, and - even though it's half life is much shorter than the time it should take to travel through to the back of the ship - it still survives to make it through the back end. This has been used to prove that time slows down as per SR when things travel fast.

Now, if instead, the muon is stationary, and the spaceship is traveling near the speed of light (the same as the muon was but in the opposite direction), the muon will be inside the spaceship for the same amount of time, but in this case it will decay before leaving the ship because it's time is not slowed.

So for the passengers of the ship, in one case the muon will decay, in the other, the muon will not decay. Where is the relativity?
 
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Hi PeterNoodles, welcome to PF

You remembered time dilation but forgot length contraction. You can't use one aspect of the theory in isolation, you need to use all three aspects together (time dilation, length contraction, relativity of simultaneity).
 
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This looks like a variation on the classic "barn and pole paradox" which is resolved using relativity of simultaneity.
 
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jtbell said:
This looks like a variation on the classic "barn and pole paradox" which is resolved using relativity of simultaneity.

I think Dale's description is all you need.

From the spaceship's point of view, you see a fast muon which doesn't decay because it's time dilated.

From the muon's point of view, you see a length contracted spaceship, so you spend very little time inside.
 
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Very cool. So simple. Thanks!
 

1. How does relativity fail to explain quantum particles?

Relativity, specifically the theory of general relativity, is a theory that explains the behavior of large objects in the universe. However, at the quantum level, the behavior of particles is governed by the laws of quantum mechanics, which contradicts some of the principles of relativity.

2. What are the main differences between relativity and quantum mechanics?

Relativity is a classical theory that describes the behavior of objects in terms of space and time, while quantum mechanics is a theory that describes the behavior of quantum particles in terms of probabilities and wave functions. Relativity is deterministic, while quantum mechanics is probabilistic.

3. Can relativity and quantum mechanics be reconciled?

There have been many attempts to reconcile relativity and quantum mechanics, but so far no theory has been able to fully explain both at the same time. Some theories, such as string theory, attempt to unify both theories into a single framework, but there is currently no consensus on which approach is correct.

4. How does the uncertainty principle contradict relativity?

The uncertainty principle, which states that it is impossible to know both the position and momentum of a particle with absolute certainty, contradicts relativity's principle of causality. This is because in relativity, time and space are considered to be absolute, whereas in quantum mechanics, they are relative and uncertain.

5. What are the implications of relativity failing with quantum particles?

If relativity were to fail with quantum particles, it would mean that our current understanding of the universe is incomplete and that there is more to discover. It could also have significant implications for our understanding of gravity and the fundamental laws of nature. Further research and advancements in both relativity and quantum mechanics are needed to fully understand this phenomenon.

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