Using the Galilean transformation and classical velocity addition

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of momentum conservation in different frames of reference. The use of classical velocity addition is shown to prove that momentum is still conserved even when observed from a moving train. The final equation, m1(v1- vt)+ m2(v2+ vt), demonstrates the conservation of momentum.
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stunner5000pt
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My problem is this:

Let's say momentum is conserved in all frames...
An observer on the ground observes two paticles with masses m1 and m2 and finds upon measurement that momentum is conserved. Use classical velocity addition to prove that momentum is conserved if the observer is on a train passing by alongside this collision.

so assume this

--------------(m2)---><------------(m1)----
<------------------Train moves in this direction
Let the initial velocity denoted as u
and final velocity as v
so if the observer is on the ground stationary

he wil see

m1u1 + m2u2 = m1v1 + m2v2

From the train
for m1 velocity is u1 - vt (where vt is velocty of train)
for m2 velocity is u2 + vt

then m1(u1-vt)+m2(u2+vt)
=m1u1 - m1vt + m2vt + m2u2 + m2vt
= m1u1 + m2u2 - m1vt + m2vt
= m1v1 + m2v2 - m1vt + m2vt

and this is where i am stuck... did i do something wrong here? or is that expression - m1vt + m2vt supposed to mean something?

Please do help
 
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m1(v1-vt)+m2(v2+vt)

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TenaliRaman said:
m1(v1-vt)+m2(v2+vt)

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that's the answer isn't it?

that v1-vt represents the speed of the ball with respect to the train after it collides and it makes no different because the velocity addition applies here too, right?
 
  • #4
Yes, that's what TenaliRaman was saying:

You arrived at
m1(u1-vt)+m2(u2+vt)= m1v1 + m2v2 - m1vt + m2vt
Now do a little rearranging on the right:
= m1v1- m1vt+ m2v2+ m2vt
= m1(v1- vt)+ m2(v2+ vt),
showing conservation of momentum.
 

1. How does the Galilean transformation work?

The Galilean transformation is a mathematical formula used to convert coordinates and measurements from one reference frame to another. It is based on the principle of Galilean relativity, which states that the laws of physics are the same in all inertial reference frames. This transformation involves adding or subtracting the relative velocities between the two frames to the measurements in one frame to obtain the measurements in the other frame.

2. What is classical velocity addition?

Classical velocity addition is a method for calculating the relative velocity between two objects in different reference frames. It is based on the principle of Galilean relativity and involves adding the velocities of the two objects in their respective frames to find the velocity of one object as measured by the other frame.

3. Why is the Galilean transformation and classical velocity addition useful?

These concepts are useful for understanding the behavior of objects in different frames of reference and for making calculations in classical mechanics. They are particularly helpful in situations where the relative velocities between frames are small compared to the speed of light, such as in everyday scenarios.

4. Can the Galilean transformation and classical velocity addition be used in all situations?

No, these concepts are only applicable in classical mechanics and are not valid in situations where the effects of special relativity, such as time dilation and length contraction, must be taken into account. In those cases, the Lorentz transformation and relativistic velocity addition must be used instead.

5. Are there any limitations to the Galilean transformation and classical velocity addition?

Yes, these concepts are only accurate for objects moving at non-relativistic speeds. As objects approach the speed of light, the predictions made by these formulas become increasingly inaccurate and must be replaced by the more precise equations of special relativity.

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