What Life would see around other Stars

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In summary: M 1.50 In summary, the larger stars are significantly brighter, pushing back their habitable zones (HZs). This makes them look smaller in the skies of hypothetical habitable planets, whose years are also a lot longer.
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Bigger stars are significantly brighter. That pushes back their Habitable Zones (HZs), where D2 ~ L, which makes them look smaller in the skies of (hypothetical) habitable planets, whose years are also a lot longer:
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Type Mass Temperature Radius  Luminosity HZ-Distance Apparent-Size HZ-Year 
O    64.0    50,000     16.0   1,400,000       1180       0.00016   5250      
B    18.0    28,000      7.0      20,000        141       0.0025     396      
A     3.1    10,000      2.1          40          8.9     0.078       15.0    
F     1.7     7,400      1.4           6          2.4     0.28         2.94   
G     1.1     6,000      1.1           1.2        1.1     1            1.09    
K     0.8     4,900      0.9           0.4        0.63    2            0.53  
M     0.4     3,000      0.5           0.04       0.20    4            0.16
Conversely, cooler stars keep their (hypothetical) HZ planets much closer, where orbital speeds are significantly higher. And, since Impactors typically travel at approximately orbital speeds, Impact Events on those worlds would be correspondingly more severe (since KE ~ v2):
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Star-Type   HZ-Orbital-Speed   Impactor-Damage-Ratio  Distance-to-Snow-Line ?
O                  0.23                 0.051                      4700
B                  0.36                 0.13                        640
A                  0.60                 0.36                         36
F                  0.83                 0.69                         10
G                  1.00                 1.00                          4.4
K                  1.13                 1.26                          2.4
M                  1.23                 1.5                           0.80
The Distance-to-Snow-Line parameter represents the radial distance from the star's HZ to its Snow-Line, where water turns to ice. This is seemingly crucial in the formation of Gas Giants, like Jupiter, which formed on the Sun's Snow-Line*. Thus, for our Solar System, that distance parameter is (5.2 - 1.0 =) 4.2 AU. If Jupiter-sized Gas Giants formed too close to the HZ, they would surely disrupt any proto-planets coalescing therein.
* Carroll & Ostlie. Introduction to Modern Astrophysics, pg. 893.
 
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According to the History Channel documentary The Universe -- Alien Faces (TV), Tidal Forces could cause close-in planets (ie., around M-Class stars) to become Tidally Locked (cf. Mercury's 3:2 Resonance). Thus:
[tex]D_{HZ}^{2} \approx L[/tex]
[tex]\partial_{D} F_{G} \approx \frac{M}{D^{3}} \approx \frac{M}{L^{3/2}}[/tex]​
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Type Mass Temperature Radius  Luminosity HZ-Distance    Tidal-Force-ratio 
O    64.0    50,000     16.0   1,400,000       1180         3.9e-8
B    18.0    28,000      7.0      20,000        141         6.4e-6
A     3.1    10,000      2.1          40          8.9       0.012
F     1.7     7,400      1.4           6          2.4       0.12
G     1.1     6,000      1.1           1.2        1.1       0.84
K     0.8     4,900      0.9           0.4        0.63      1.4
M     0.4     3,000      0.5           0.04       0.20     50
By way of comparison (to Earth), Mercury's Tidal-Force-ratio is ~16, and it is only partially Tide-Locked in a 3:2 Resonance. Conversely, the Moon's Tidal-Force-ratio is ~180, and it has long been fully Tide-Locked.

CONCLUSION: Only planets orbiting M-Class stars can plausibly become Tide-Locked over "reasonable" time scales, as indicated in the documentary.


ADDENDUM: Given these powerful Tidal Interactions, it seems unlikely that M-Class stars' habitable planets could keep their own Moons.

Moreover, if such planets became Tidally Locked, that might halve their effective surface area for thermal re-radiation, of incoming starlight. That would tend to increase their Black Body temperatures by a factor of ~21/4 = 1.2. In turn, that would tend to increase the orbital distance of the Habitable Zone by a factor of ~21/2 = 1.4.

That would halve the M-Class parent star's Apparent Size, and would cut down the Tidal Force interaction by a factor of ~23/2 = 2.8, from 50 ---> 18, about the same as Mercury.

Thus, it may not be possible to have (fully) Tide-Locked habitable planets orbiting M-Class stars, b/c they would over-heat. And, by the time you ventured far enough away, to cool the planet back down, you would only experience moderate Tidal Forces.

Even so, such planets would probably be partially Tide-Locked, like Mercury.
 
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According to Carroll & Ostlie (pg. 891), O/B/A-Class stars do not form planetary systems.

ALLEGATION: This is b/c, during formation, those bright & hot stars keep all their nebular gases roiling, so that no proto-planetary cores can condense. Thus, O/B/A-Class stars swallow down all their swirling gases.

But, around cooler stars, iron & rock can condense out & solidify, seeding planetary systems.
 
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Potential Impactors, at distance D from the Sun, typically travel w/ velocities:
vorb2 ~ G Msun / D
If these velocities exceed the Escape Velocity (vesc2 = 2 G Mplanet / Rplanet) of a particular planet, the potential Impactor is unbound, and an impact is unlikely. We therefore calculate the planets' Impact Ratios (Earth units):
[tex]\frac{v_{esc}^{2}}{v_{orb}^{2}} = \frac{M_{p} \times D_{p}}{R_{p}}[/tex]​
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Planet         Impact Ratio
Mercury        0.056
Venus          0.621
Earth          1.000
Moon           0.045
Mars           0.307
Jupiter      148
Saturn        98
Uranus        70
Neptune      134
Pluto          0.44
 
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Widdekind said:
According to Carroll & Ostlie (pg. 891), O/B/A-Class stars do not form planetary systems.

And they are wrong. Fomalhaut has a planet.
 
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Fomalhaut-b is a Jupiter-type planet, orbiting (D ~ 100 AU, P = 872 years) inside the inner edge of a large Debris Ring (cf. Solar Kuiper Belt) surrounding the system.


Fomalhaut is an A3-Class star, right at the cusp between Planet-forming Star Systems (A5 and below) and non-Planet-forming Star Systems (A0 and above), as indicated in Carroll & Ostlie, pg. 891, figure 21.16.

To conclusively prove that Carroll & Ostlie are "wrong", would require observing planets orbiting stars larger than about A0 (see figure, it's rough and inexact) -- to wit, O/B-Class stars.

Does anybody know of any planets orbiting O/B-Class stars, or even A0-Class ?
 
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According to Wikipedia (link),
Most known exoplanets orbit stars roughly similar to our own Sun, that is, main-sequence stars of spectral categories F, G, or K. One reason is simply that planet search programs have tended to concentrate on such stars. But even after taking this into account, statistical analysis suggests that lower-mass stars (red dwarfs, of spectral category M) are either less likely to have planets or have planets that are themselves of lower mass and hence harder to detect. Recent observations by the Spitzer Space Telescope indicate that stars of spectral category O, which are much hotter than our Sun, produce a Photo-Evaporation effect that inhibits Planetary Formation.​
For the record, Carroll & Ostlie's figure 21.16 does not extend to stars below G-Class. To quote them exactly,
As can be seen in Fig. 21.16, a very discernible break occurs in the amount of angular mometum per unit mass, as a function of mass, near spectral class A5. If the total angular momentum of the solar system were included, rather than just the anguluar momentum of the Sun, the trend along the upper end of the main sequence would extend to include our solar system as well (recall that the Sun is a G2 star). Does this observation indicate that the formation of most (or all) low-mass stars leads to the formation of planetary systems that contain the "missing" angular momentum hinted at in Fig. 21.16? As w/ most problems associated w/ understanding the solar system, it is dangerous to extrapolate from one known example (our own) in order to draw general conclusions. However, the growing number of observations of nebular disks orbiting young stars tends to support this conjecture.
It seems that Planetary Formation is "quenched" (as it were), by Photo-Evaporation effects, somewhere above Spectral Classes A5 and A0 (and, evidently, between A3 and A0, as V50 indicated).
 
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Look, you made the claim that A class stars don't have planets. I gave you a counter-example. That means you are wrong. Simple as that.

If someone says there is no planet around any A, B or O star, you only have to show a planet around anyone of them to disprove this statement. You can't turn around and then say "A doesn't count - it has to be B or O". That's nonsense.

Your claim that there are no planets with stars hotter than A3 is pure speculation on your part. It's also mighty convenient that the threshold where your speculation begins happens to be the point where the data ends.
 
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Stellar Habitable Zones are defined by L* / DHZ2 = constant. Thus, the strength of Gravity, in those Habitable Zones, is highest for low-mass stars:
constant = L* / DHZ2 = (L* / M*) x (M* / DHZ2)​
Therefore,
Gravity at HZ ~ M* / L*
which is largest for the smallest stars.

Surely, the strength of Gravity correlates to the local Spacetime Curvature. If so, the Habitable Zones of low-mass stars experience the greatest Spacetime Curvature.
 
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First, this discussion of spacetime curvature is a complete non-sequitur.

Second, it's not true that "the strength of Gravity correlates to the local Spacetime Curvature". It's the potential that is related to the curvature, not the field strength.
 
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Planets have been detected orbiting neutron stars, so how improbable is it they may be found orbiting M stars?
 
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Widdekind said:
Figure 21.16, from Carroll & Ostlie's Introduction to Modern Astrophysics

I notice that the "max planets" that you keep using this cite to support was written in by hand.
 
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SciLab plot, of Exoplanet Eccentricity vs. Star Spectral Type (data from Wikipedia; Pulsar Planets & Multi-Star Systems omitted).
 

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Stellar Habitable Zones are defined by L* / DHZ2 = constant. Thus, the Gravitational Potential, in those Habitable Zones, is deepest for low-mass stars. For, Stellar Luminosity scales as L* ~ M*4 (Bowers & Deeming. Astrophysics I: Stars, pg. ~28.). So,
constant = L* / DHZ2 ~ (M*4 / DHZ2)​
And so,
DHZ ~ M*2
And so,
UHZ = -G M* / DHZ ~ - M*-1
So, since the Gravitational Potential apparently correlates to the local Spacetime Curvature, the Habitable Zones of low-mass stars experience the greatest Spacetime Curvature.




QUESTION: The product of Newton's Gravitational Constant, times a Density, divided by the Speed of Light squared, has the units of Curvature K (m-2), according to Wikipedia. Thus,
||K|| ~ - (G M*) / (c2 x DHZ3)​
Is there a closed-form solution, for the Spacetime Curvature, produced by a Point Mass ? If so, would somebody please share it, or cite it ?
 
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Tidally locked planets orbitting M stars would struggle to retain their atmospheres, which would be adverse to life. It is possible, however, life could arise before tidal locking advanced enough to make them uninhabitable. Given the rapidity of life arising on earth, anything may be possible. A remote M class system may well not be subject to the repeated annihilation events suffered by life on earth. Intelligent life could arise much more quickly, and perhaps advance sufficiently to flee or engineer solutions to conditions on their dying planet.
 
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Agreed, widdekind, stars with 1/2 - 2/3 solar mass are very likely to support a habitable zone much longer than our own sun - without the problems posed by M class stars. As Guinan pointed out, orange stars are also much more abundant than G class stars. Good catch.
 
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main sequence maximum mass habitable zone...


Minimum time required for main sequence third generation planet to form:
[tex]t_p = t_{\odot} - t_E = (4.57 - 4.54) \cdot 10^9 \; \text{y} = 0.03 \cdot 10^9 \; \text{y}[/tex]
[tex]t_{\odot}[/tex] - solar age
[tex]t_E[/tex] - Terra age

[tex]\boxed{t_p = 0.03 \cdot 10^9 \; \text{y}}[/tex]

Main sequence solar lifetime:
[tex]t_{L} = 11 \cdot 10^{9} \; \text{y}[/tex]

Main sequence stellar lifetime:
[tex]\tau_{ms} = t_{L} \left( \frac{m_{\odot}}{m_s} \right)^{2.5}[/tex]
[tex]m_{\odot}[/tex] - solar mass
[tex]m_s[/tex] - stellar mass

Main sequence stellar lifetime greater than or equivalent to third generation planetary formation time:
[tex]\boxed{\tau_{ms} \geq t_p}[/tex]

Integration by substitution:
[tex]t_{L} \left( \frac{m_{\odot}}{m_s} \right)^{2.5} \geq (t_{\odot} - t_E)[/tex]

Main sequence third generation maximum stellar mass for habitable zone:
[tex]\boxed{m_s \leq m_{\odot} \left( \frac{t_{\odot} - t_E}{t_{L}} \right)^{-0.4}}[/tex]

[tex]\boxed{m_s \leq 10.609 \cdot m_{\odot}}[/tex]

A third generation main sequence star with this mass is a class B blue giant.

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_sequence#Lifetime"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_star"
 
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Here is a professional plot, of the Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram in Luminosity - Mass space, also indicating known Exoplanet-bearing systems (W.T. Sullivan III & J.A. Baross. Planets & Life, pg. 445).
 

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The probability of planetary formation...


Planetary existential probability formation appears to increase exponentially from 0 to 1.5 solar mass and decrease exponentially as stellar mass increases above 1.5 solar mass, with a planetary resonance peak around 1 to 1.5 solar mass.

The majority of the planets discovered have a mass less than 2.5 Jupiter mass, with existential probability decreasing exponentially with increasing planetary mass.

Planetary existential probability increases with decreasing planetary mass. A dwarf planet is the smallest planet that can exist with the least amount of mass and has the highest existential probability, therefore the majority of planets that exist are dwarf planets.

A dwarf planet must have sufficient mass to overcome its compressive strength and achieve hydrostatic equilibrium.

It is suspected that at least another 40 known objects in the Solar System are dwarf planets, and estimates are that up to 200 dwarf planets may be found when the entire region known as the Kuiper belt is explored, and that the number might be as high as 2,000 when objects scattered outside the Kuiper belt are considered.

Reference:
http://exoplanet.eu/catalog-all.php?mdAff=stats#tc"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet"
 

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SciLab histograms, of Number of Exoplanets vs. Star Age (data from Wikipedia, as above).

The first histogram includes only Confirmed Exoplanets (n=27), whose stars' ages were directly cited on Wikipedia. It shows that most Exo-Planetary Systems are young (< 3 Gyr).

The second histogram includes all Exoplanets (Confirmed & Suspected) (n=188), and this author estimated the ages for roughly 2 dozen of said systems. For example, 18 Delphini is a G6-Class Yellow Giant. Since it is exiting the Main Sequence, this author estimated its age as 8 Gyr. This plot shows that Exo-Planetary Systems are uniformly frequent, out to ages of ~7 Gyr, before becoming increasingly infrequent.


OBSERVATION: It is well-known, that Exoplanet-bearing stars tend to be Metal-Rich. It is also well-known, that Metal-Rich stars tend to be younger (since Metal Enrichment has gradually accumulated over the ~12 billion year lifetime of the Universe). So, it stands to reason, that Exoplanet-bearing stars could tend to be younger.


COMPARISON: A "few billion years ago", the Milky Way was very different from today -- it was surely smaller, and had no Spiral Structure in the Galactic Disk. Its Star Formation Rate was also, surely, higher*.
* History Channel The Universe -- Milky Way Galaxy (TV). Younger Galaxies, having Star Formation Rates ~10 times higher than the Milky Way today, are called Star Burst Galaxies. Thus, the Milky Way may have been a Star Burst Galaxy up until about 3 billion years ago.
 

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Thanks Chronos & Orion1.
 
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According to the brief book Star Factories, by University of Toronto Prof. Ray Jayawardhana, roughly half of all observed young stars, forming from GMCs, are surrounded by disks of gas & dust. Now, according to Wikipedia cited above, the disks of big bright O/B-Class stars are destroyed by "Photo-Evaporation effects".

But, what typically stops the disks of M-Class stars from forming into Planetary Systems ? Is it, that those stars' lower masses, mean that the disks spin, & evolve, more slowly, so that the central star's Stellar Wind strips out the gas and dust before the Planetary Embryos have had enough time to "gestate" and grow into full-fledged planets ? The same Wikipedia link said that M-Class stars' planets might exist, but are probably very small... could the "aborted" Planetary Systems of M-Class stars resemble the dim & cold Kuiper Belt about the Sun, out where Planetary Formation was slow & stagnated, and so is only populated by ~Pluto-sized Icy Bodies ??
 
  • #25
Very roughly speaking, M* ~ R*3/2. However, the exponent is closer to 1.3 for M thru A-Class stars. Then, the exponent is much higher for big, bright, O/B-Class stars. I understand, that this, too, is where the Main Sequence on the Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram begins to curve upwards. Apparently, O/B-Class stars are a "class unto themselves", being "overbright", for the same Temperature, b/c they puff up so much, from their prodigeous rates of fusion.

Does this not correspond, to the aforesaid onset of "Photo-Dissociation Effects", disrupting their Proto-Planetary Disks ?
 
  • #26
The T Tauri solar accretion rate...


ref. 1 said:
The observed global properties of T Tauri disks that are suitable for reconstructing an evolutionary history of a single disk are their accretion rates and masses. For M data we use the survey by Hartigan, Edwards, & Ghandour (1995). hereafter HEG, who measured accretion rates, ages, and star masses for 42 T Tauri stars in the Taurus-Auriga complex. We have sorted the HEG sample into five different groups: 9 stars with masses of 0.1-0.3 M, 10 stars with masses of 0.3-0.4 M, 13 stars with masses of 0.4-0.5M, 6 stars with masses of 0.5-0.72 M, and 5 stars with masses of 0.85-1.62 M. For 28 of those stars estimations of disk masses are available from the survey by Beckwith, Sargent, Chini & Gusten (1990).

Protoplanetary disks are stellar accretion disks.

The T Tauri solar accretion rate:
[tex]\boxed{\dot{M}_{\odot} = \frac{dm}{dt} = \frac{2 L_{\odot} R_{\odot}}{G M_{\odot}} = C_1}[/tex]

[tex]\boxed{C_1 = 4.02239 \cdot 10^{15} \; \frac{\text{kg}}{\text{s}}}[/tex]

[tex]C_2 = \left( 4.02239 \cdot 10^{15} \; \frac{\text{kg}}{\text{s}} \right) \left( 3.15576 \cdot 10^{7} \; \frac{s}{y} \right) \left( \frac{M_{\odot}}{1.9891 \cdot 10^{30} \; \text{kg}} \right) = 6.38163 \cdot 10^{-8} \; \frac{M_{\odot}}{y}[/tex]

[tex]\boxed{C_2 = 6.38163 \cdot 10^{-8} \; \frac{M_{\odot}}{y}}[/tex]

The T Tauri stellar accretion rate:
[tex]\boxed{\dot{M}_{*} = \frac{dm}{dt} = C_2 \left( \frac{L_{*}}{L_{\odot}} \right) \left( \frac{M_{*}}{M_{\odot}} \right)^{-1} \left( \frac{R_{*}}{R_{\odot}} \right)}[/tex]

Main sequence mass-luminosity relation:
[tex]\frac{L_{*}}{L_{\odot}} = \left( \frac{M_{*}}{M_{\odot}} \right)^{3.9}[/tex]

Main sequence mass-radius relation:
[tex]\frac{R_{*}}{R_{\odot}} = \left( \frac{M_{*}}{M_{\odot}} \right)^{0.8}[/tex]

Integration by substitution:
[tex]\dot{M}_{*} = \frac{dm}{dt} = C_2 \left( \frac{M_{*}}{M_{\odot}} \right)^{3.9} \left( \frac{M_{*}}{M_{\odot}} \right)^{-1} \left( \frac{M_{*}}{M_{\odot}} \right)^{0.8}[/tex]

Main sequence T Tauri stellar accretion rate:
[tex]\boxed{\dot{M}_{*} = \frac{dm}{dt} = C_2 \left( \frac{M_{*}}{M_{\odot}} \right)^{3.7}}[/tex]

Reference:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/LPSC98/pdf/1065.pdf"
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1995RMxAC...3...93H/0000096.000.html"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminosity"
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/M/mass-radius_relation.html"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_nebula#Formation_of_planets"
 

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According to this source, ~2/3rds of young stars possesses Proto-Planetary Disks, & typical Proto-Planetary Disks contain ~0.1 [tex]M_{\odot}[/tex]. Given that Disk Accretion Rates increase with stellar mass, Disk Lifetimes should decrease with stellar mass. This seems consistent with conventional consensus (S.F.Green & M.H.Jones. An Introduction to the Sun & Stars, pg. 282 [figure 10.1]; see attached). Please compare the total Mass Loss, of Lower Main Sequence Stars, through their T-Tauri Phases ([tex]~few \times 10^{-1} M_{\odot}[/tex]), to the Typical Disk Mass ([tex]~ 10^{-1} M_{\odot}[/tex]).
 

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Chronos said:
Planets have been detected orbiting neutron stars, so how improbable is it they may be found orbiting M stars?

Could you please provide an article or website that supports your claim? I'm in no way doubting you I'm just interested to see how that is feasible.

I'm assuming that the supernova explosion prior to the formation of the neutron star would have destroyed all orbital planets of the original star? Secondly, the planet must be a remnant of some sort that was captured by the neutron star's gravity?

Any more information would be appreciated.
 
  • #29
pulsar accretion disk...


According to the references, planets have been discovered around at least two neutron stars, called Pulsars.

Because PSR 1257+12 has at least three planets with radial resonances, it is probable that these formed from an accretion disk around a pulsar. Additionally, this system may have an asteroid belt or a Kuiper belt. However, PSR B1620-26 b probably originated from capture from a white dwarf WD B1620-26.

PSR 1257+12 mass = 1.4 M☉
PSR 1257+12 b, c, d

PSR B1620-26 mass = 1.35 M☉
WD B1620-26 mass = 0.34 M☉
PSR B1620-26 b

AXP 4U 0142+61 mass = 1.4 M☉
accretion disk

PSR B1620-26 b was announced as the oldest planet ever discovered, at 12.6 billion years old. It is currently believed to have originally been the planet of a white dwarf WD B1620-26 before becoming a circumbinary planet, and therefore, while discovered through the pulsar timing method, it did not form via a pulsar accretion disk that pulsar PSR B1257+12's planets are thought to have formed from.

Magnetar AXP 4U 0142+61, located 13,000 light years from the sun, was once a large, bright star with a mass between 10 and 20 times that of our sun. The star probably survived for about 10 million years. It was found to have a circumstellar accretion disk. The disk is thought to have formed from metal-rich debris left over from the supernova that formed the pulsar roughly 100,000 years ago and is similar to those seen around main sequence stars, suggesting it may be capable of forming planets in a similar fashion. The disk orbits about 1.6 million kilometers away from the pulsar and probably contains about 10 Earth-masses of material.

Any first generation planets around the stars that gave rise to pulsars would have been incinerated when the stars went nova. Therefore, it is probable that pulsar planets are part of a second generation of planets from an accretion fallback disk or the result of a stellar-planetary circumbinary capture event.

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar_planet"
http://exoplanet.eu/star.php?st=PSR+1257%2B12"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12"
http://exoplanet.eu/star.php?st=PSR+B1620-26"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1620-26"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4U_0142%2B61"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_B1620-26"
http://www.sflorg.com/spacenews/images/imsn040506_01_06.jpg"
 

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  • #30


Orion1 said:

According to the references, planets have been discovered around at least two neutron stars, called Pulsars.

Because PSR 1257+12 has at least three planets with radial resonances, it is probable that these formed from an accretion disk around a pulsar. Additionally, this system may have an asteroid belt or a Kuiper belt. However, PSR B1620-26 b probably originated from capture from a white dwarf WD B1620-26.

PSR 1257+12 mass = 1.4 M☉
PSR 1257+12 b, c, d

PSR B1620-26 mass = 1.35 M☉
WD B1620-26 mass = 0.34 M☉
PSR B1620-26 b

AXP 4U 0142+61 mass = 1.4 M☉
accretion disk

PSR B1620-26 b was announced as the oldest planet ever discovered, at 12.6 billion years old. It is currently believed to have originally been the planet of a white dwarf WD B1620-26 before becoming a circumbinary planet, and therefore, while discovered through the pulsar timing method, it did not form via a pulsar accretion disk that pulsar PSR B1257+12's planets are thought to have formed from.

Magnetar AXP 4U 0142+61, located 13,000 light years from the sun, was once a large, bright star with a mass between 10 and 20 times that of our sun. The star probably survived for about 10 million years. It was found to have a circumstellar accretion disk. The disk is thought to have formed from metal-rich debris left over from the supernova that formed the pulsar roughly 100,000 years ago and is similar to those seen around main sequence stars, suggesting it may be capable of forming planets in a similar fashion. The disk orbits about 1.6 million kilometers away from the pulsar and probably contains about 10 Earth-masses of material.

Any first generation planets around the stars that gave rise to pulsars would have been incinerated when the stars went nova. Therefore, it is probable that pulsar planets are part of a second generation of planets from an accretion fallback disk or the result of a stellar-planetary circumbinary capture event.

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar_planet"
http://exoplanet.eu/star.php?st=PSR+1257%2B12"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1257%2B12"
http://exoplanet.eu/star.php?st=PSR+B1620-26"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_B1620-26"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4U_0142%2B61"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_B1620-26"
http://www.sflorg.com/spacenews/images/imsn040506_01_06.jpg"

Thanks for the information.

For a second, I thought planets could withstand the supernove burst of a star. Glad to see the my conclusions were correct.
 
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Stable Planetary Systems -- those not possessing giant Hot Jupiters, which migrated all the way in towards their central stars, completely disrupting their Planetary Systems in the process -- apparently typically obey basic system-wide planetary profiles:
A typical calculation by Hughes (1992), in Fig. 2.5, shows the distances & types of planets that develop out of the Planetary Accretion Disks. Here, the big dots indicate Jovian Planets, and the small ones Terrestrial Planets & Kuiper Belt Objects. The generation of this sequence of planets w/ distance has also been found in simulations of Ida & Lin (2004, 2005). From Fig. 2.5, for example, it is seen that 5 Terrestrial Planets forum up to Jupiter distances [5.2 AU] around G-type stars [1 Msol]. That such a result is typical has recently been concluded by Jacobsen (2005), in a review of the Planetesimal & Planetary Embryo Phase, as well as the main planet-building stage. He reported that computer simulations of the final stages of Accretion have succeeded in producing systems containing 2-4 Terrestrial Planets between 0-2 AU from the star.

Peter Ulmschneider. Intelligent Life in the Universe (2nd ed.), pg. 24.
 

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Most Exo-Planetary Systems tend to be comparatively young (< ~6 Gyr; see above, post #22). For sake of comparison, then, most Exo-Planetary Systems may have formed after the early Universal Epoch of Quasars and AGNs. Attached is Figure 22 from Martin Rees' New Perspectives in Astrophysical Cosmology, pg. 77 (Rees uses a Hubble's Constant of 50 km/s/Mpc; current estimates imply H ~ 75 km/s/Mpc, corresponding to h50 = 1.5 in the attached figure).
 

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Stable Planetary Systems chart from Lewis Dartnell's Life in the Universe, pg. 149.
 

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Stable Planetary Systems chart, merged from Ulmschneider & Dartnell (both above). Ulmschneider seemingly suggests, that the inner portions of Stellar Kuiper Belts typically produce Uranus- & Neptune-type planets, them being but "big Kuiper Belt Objects" (as it were). There seems to be some disagreement, as to the range of Terrestrial Planet Formation.
 

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According to this amateur site, low-mass stars (< 0.2 Msol) have purely convective cores, which affects their violent Flare Activities & Magnetic Dynamos.

Could this explain the change in slope, of the Habitable Zone's radius vs. star mass ?
 

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