A different approach towards Thrust Engines

In summary, the conversation discusses advanced concepts and theories for propulsion engines, focusing on the use of electricity conversion for thrust. Jet engines are mentioned as having reached their maximum efficiency, and the possibility of using the ocean's latent heat as a source of power is brought up. Other ideas involve using charged droplets to create thrust and potentially using electrostatic acceleration.
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Is there any Advanced concepts , theories out there; Instead of the combustion. We're not limited ; direct conversion of electricity to thrust is here, so if you have any ideas leave it here,

*Electricity-conversion- microwave- to thrust (radiation pressure difference)
*Electricity-conversion- sound - to thrust (Air pressure difference)

Jet engines already reached its glory, all there's to do is increase efficiency

Thrust engine that can be used in personal transportation ; less noise etc

Or any Propulsion engines ; Jet engines are welcomed if and only if efficiency is over 80%
 
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Well, one wild but not physically impossible idea I heard on the boat design forums, by Michael Praamsa, IIRC, was to use the latent heat of the ocean as a source of power. The ocean surface has a thin layer of humidity which prevents further evaporation, and of course the ocean's surface-to-volume ratio is quite low. By creating a spray or using a wick structure, water is evaporated and air is heated. Doing this inside a ducted fan windmill, the volume of air going out can be greater than that entering, it can make its own wind, which will be at a high velocity at the neck of the duct, enhancing evaporation. The energy is collected by a turbine rotor at the front (increasing turbulence and evaporation downstream. The energy can then be used to run any sort of marine propulsion. Evaporative cooling of the machine is a side benefit which can be used for refrigeration or air conditioning.

Another idea is to charge the droplets from the spray, allow the wind to accelerate them (well, really just move them away from the charged nozzle, making them attain a much higher voltage by capacitive voltage multiplication) and use the ocean as the current return path, putting a load in between. This could give a large wind-capture area as the droplet stream spreads out. Prof. Steven Salter had a great design for nozzles that would be ideal for this purpose, turning water with over twice the volume of the easily-manufacturable atomizing apparatus into 30-micron charged droplets each second, using only 60.5kW of solely mechanical power for each cubic meter of water per second. That's creating 11.9 km^2 of evaporative surface per kWh. Just lifting the same volume of water 10m would consume about 1.65 times the energy. ( http://www.mech.ed.ac.uk/research/wavepower/rain%20making/shs%20rain%20paper%20Feb.pdf - note that the design in this paper does not work for the original purpose of increasing rainfall - enhanced humidity near the surface suppresses ocean evaporation overall.)

Theoretically this idea could be turned around if one already had electrical energy - the droplets could be electrostatically accelerated, entraining air to create thrust, but I doubt it would be efficient.
 
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1. What makes a different approach towards thrust engines unique?

A different approach towards thrust engines involves using alternative fuels, new designs and technologies, and unconventional methods to generate thrust. This approach aims to improve efficiency, reduce emissions, and increase performance compared to traditional thrust engines.

2. How do alternative fuels impact the performance of a thrust engine?

Alternative fuels such as biofuels, hydrogen, and electric power can provide cleaner and more sustainable options for thrust engines. These fuels can reduce emissions and improve the efficiency of the engine, resulting in better overall performance.

3. What are some examples of unconventional methods used in a different approach towards thrust engines?

Some examples of unconventional methods include using pulsed detonation engines, supersonic combustion, and rotating detonation engines. These methods aim to increase the speed and efficiency of thrust engines by using innovative designs and technologies.

4. What are the potential benefits of a different approach towards thrust engines?

The potential benefits of a different approach towards thrust engines include increased efficiency, reduced emissions, improved performance, and the use of more sustainable fuels. This could lead to a significant reduction in the environmental impact of air travel and the cost of fuel.

5. What are the challenges of implementing a different approach towards thrust engines?

Some challenges of implementing a different approach towards thrust engines include the high cost of developing and testing new technologies, the need for specialized expertise, and the potential for regulatory hurdles. It may also take time for these new approaches to be fully adopted and integrated into the aviation industry.

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