B-E,F-D Statistics and the Lorentz Transformations

In summary, the B-E and F-D statics:-The left side is a scalar and should not change in response to the Lorentz transformations.-Neither side is a Lorentz scalar..-The left side is a scalar and should not change in response to the Lorentz transformations.In GR a scalar is not simply a number, it is a number that transforms in a specific way (ie as a rank 0 tensor)-A boost is quite synonymous with what we call mass motion and that should not change temperature.-But if we leave a box filled with particles on a table and start moving,the energy levels will get changed values.
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Let us consider the B-E and F-D statics:

[tex]{<}{n}_{i}}{>}{=}{\frac{1}{{exp}{(}{{\epsilon}_{i}{-}{\mu}{)}{/}{kT}}{\mp}{1}}[/tex]

Now we observe the formula from a boosted frame.The left side is a scalar and should not change in response to the Lorentz transformations.What about the right hand side?The quantity
[tex]{(}{\epsilon}_{i}{-}{\mu}{)}{/}{kT}[/tex] does not look like a Lorentz invariant.
 
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[tex]{(}{\epsilon}_{i}{-}{\mu}{)}{/}{kT}[/tex] is a dimensionless quantity.But is it Lorentz invariant?

[Quantities like v1/v2 are dimensionless. But when we observe the ratio from a boosted frame its value changes]
 
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"The left side is a scalar and should not change in response to the Lorentz transformations."
Neither side is a Lorentz scalar.
 
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Anamitra said:
.The left side is a scalar and should not change in response to the Lorentz transformations.
In GR a scalar is not simply a number, it is a number that transforms in a specific way (ie as a rank 0 tensor)
 
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Plausible Physical Mechanism
A box of particles having distinct energy levels[ e1,e2,e3,e4 etc] is considered. On giving it a boost we have:
1)Change of energy levels.For example e1 becomes e3 and e4 becomes e7.Previously e1 had n1 particles and e4 had n4. Now the old e1[its energy has changed] has n3 particles instead of n1 particles and the old e4[whose energy has changed to e7] has n7 particles instead of n4.The laws[BE and FD statistics ] should retain their form.
2)New energy levels may get created due to the boost and get populated according to the BE or FD statistics.

Transition of particles between energy levels serve to favor the explanation.The new equation may be the old equation for some level which had the same value of energy..

A boost is quite synonymous with what we call mass motion and that should not change temperature.One may keep a box of oxygen on a table and start running backwards--that should not change the temperature!
 
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Anamitra said:
A boost is quite synonymous with what we call mass motion and that should not change temperature.One may keep a box of oxygen on a table and start running backwards--that should not change the temperature!
Why not?
 
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There is a problem with posting #5.
If we leave a box filled with particles on a table and start moving,the energy levels will get changed values. But there is no physical cause that can move particles between different levels to restore the old forms of the equations--we don't have any physical agent causing the transfer of particles.
A change in temperature may support the issue. But in such a case we are assuming that[tex]{(}{\epsilon}_{i}{-}{\mu}{)}{/}{kT}[/tex] is not changing.

The problem seems to persist if both sides of the equations in #1 are not scalars
 
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Honestly, I don't know anything about relativistic thermodynamics, but at first glance I would not expect temperature to be a relativistic invariant. After all, it is associated with things like black body radiation which would be subject to relativistic Doppler, and energy, pressure, and volume which are all frame variant. Temperature might be a scalar, but if so it is not obvious to me.
 

1. What is the significance of B-E and F-D statistics in physics?

B-E and F-D statistics are two different statistical models used to describe the behavior of particles in a system. They are commonly used in the field of physics to analyze the distribution of energy levels and the number of particles in a given energy state. These statistics are important because they help researchers understand the behavior and properties of particles, which can then be used to make predictions and develop theories.

2. What are the Lorentz Transformations and how do they relate to B-E and F-D statistics?

The Lorentz Transformations are a set of equations that describe how time, space, and mass are affected by the motion of an object at high speeds. They are derived from Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity and are used to explain the effects of time dilation and length contraction. B-E and F-D statistics are often used in conjunction with the Lorentz Transformations to analyze the behavior of particles moving at high speeds.

3. How do B-E and F-D statistics differ from each other?

B-E and F-D statistics are based on different assumptions and have different applications. B-E statistics are based on the assumption that particles are indistinguishable and follow Bose-Einstein statistics, while F-D statistics are based on the assumption that particles are distinguishable and follow Fermi-Dirac statistics. This leads to different equations and predictions for the behavior of particles in a system.

4. Can B-E and F-D statistics be applied to all particles?

No, B-E and F-D statistics are only applicable to certain types of particles. B-E statistics are used for particles with integer spin, such as bosons, while F-D statistics are used for particles with half-integer spin, such as fermions. This means that not all particles can be described using these statistics, and other statistical models may need to be used.

5. How are B-E and F-D statistics related to the Pauli Exclusion Principle?

The Pauli Exclusion Principle states that two identical fermions cannot occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. This principle is reflected in F-D statistics, which take into account the distinguishability of particles and their exclusion from occupying the same energy state. B-E statistics, on the other hand, do not take into account the Pauli Exclusion Principle as bosons do not follow this rule.

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