Actual truck speed (geometric optics)

Let me know if you need more help.In summary, the conversation is about a solution to a related rates problem that involves taking the derivative using the quotient rule. The solution uses the chain rule from calculus and the formula for taking the derivative of a quotient. The student is struggling with understanding how to take the derivative in this particular problem and is seeking clarification and help.
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http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5753/98144291.jpg

this is the solution found in the solution manual,

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6536/67143924.jpg

I didn't understand the part of taking the derivative part, that is how does this http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8125/87467649.jpg turn into this http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7905/82136997.jpg

please explain carefully
 
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This is an example of a "related rates" problem that could be given in 1st-semester calculus.

The chain rule from calculus tells us that
[tex]\frac{ds'}{dt} = \frac{ds'}{ds} \ \frac{ds}{dt}[/tex]​
You can work out for yourself what ds'/ds is, and take it from there.
 
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i really don't know how to do that. i'll be very appreciated if you help me with this
 
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Well, you do need to have taken calculus in order to understand this solution. It uses the quotient rule for taking derivatives, which is explained here if you need a review of it:


So, we have an expression for s' in terms of s:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8125/87467649.jpg​
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Take the derivative of the right-hand-side of the equation, with respect to s. (f is a constant here.) Remember, you need to use the quotient rule to take the derivative here.
 
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if i take the derivitive of this I'll have -fs/(s-f)^2.

what soul i do after that
 
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Aafour said:
if i take the derivitive of this I'll have -fs/(s-f)^2.
That doesn't look right. Can you show your work in how you got that result?

p.s. I'm not sure how familiar you are with our forums, so I'll just mention the following. Our philosophy is for students to do the majority of the work in solving problems, with hints and guidance from the "helpers" like me. We believe this approach makes the student think more and learn the material better.

Just in case you're wondering why I'm not working out the steps for you, that is why :smile:
 
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If it helps, I can review what to do with the formula from the wikipedia article at http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/c/e/acedbab55b97d9c1bb42c57302faea9a.png

To take the derivative of a function g(s) / h(s), the formula is

[tex] \frac{g'(s)h(s) - g(s)h'(s)}{[h(s)]^2}[/tex]

We have

g(s) = fs
h(s) = (s-f)​

so you'll need to figure out what g'(s) and h'(s) are, then plug into the formula.
 

1. What is actual truck speed?

Actual truck speed refers to the speed at which a truck is physically moving in a given direction. It takes into account factors such as acceleration, deceleration, and changes in direction.

2. How is actual truck speed different from perceived speed?

Perceived speed is the speed that a person perceives a truck to be moving at, based on their own perspective. It may not always match the actual truck speed, as it can be influenced by factors such as surrounding objects, road conditions, and personal perception.

3. What is the role of geometric optics in determining actual truck speed?

Geometric optics is the study of how light behaves when it interacts with objects. In the context of actual truck speed, geometric optics is used to analyze how light reflects off the truck, allowing for the calculation of its speed and direction of movement.

4. What are some limitations of using geometric optics to determine actual truck speed?

One limitation is that it relies on accurate measurements and assumptions about the truck's shape, size, and distance from the observer. Additionally, factors such as weather conditions and glare can affect the accuracy of the calculations.

5. How can knowing the actual truck speed be useful in research or real-life applications?

Knowing the actual truck speed can be useful in various fields such as transportation and logistics, where it can help optimize routes and improve efficiency. It can also aid in accident reconstruction and traffic management. In research, it can provide valuable data for studying the behavior of moving objects and developing new technologies.

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