Artillery recoil (not homework - real world)

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem with firing blanks from a 76mm tank gun and wanting it to have recoil like when firing live rounds. The gun is described as having a long barrel mounted on shocks, and the projectile weighs 11 lbs and is fired with 3 lbs of gunpowder. The question is if placing a cap with a small hole over the barrel would create enough pressure for recoil when firing blanks. The conversation also mentions the importance of mass and velocity for recoil, and the possibility of increasing recoil by reducing the opening on the gun.
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Homework Statement



i have a 76mm tank gun (it's legal and registered w/ the feds in case you are wondering) and i am interested in firing blanks - but here it the problem: i want the gun to recoil like it does when firing live rounds.

here is how the gun works: there is a long barrel (about 10' or so) and it is mounted on a set of shocks (like car shocks) that are on either side of it (see picture below.)

------ (oil/spring recoil piston)
-------------------------------------- (barrel)
------ (oil/spring recoil piston)

^that is a picture of the gun and shocks.

ok, so when a real round is fired out of it, the barrel pushes back ("recoil") and the shocks compress as the bullet comes out. in case anyone cares, the projectile is about 11 lbs or so and it is fired with about 3lbs of gun powder (actually, it's referred to as propellant, but it's technically just made of smokeless powder, just in a different format to make it burn slower.)

so - back to the problem. if you don't have a bullet, but rather just an empty shell with gunpowder in it and you fire the gun, then all the 'energy' or force or whatever it's called just goes straight out of the barrel, and there is no recoil. when firing blanks, one typically uses about 1/2 lb of gun powder.

my question is this: if i place a 'cap' over the front of the barrel with a very small hole in it, will this make it so a blank round will cause the gun to recoil on the shocks, or just create lots of pressure and blow out the cap? obviously i'd have to carefully experiment with the size of the hole in the cap - but principally, would this work?

Homework Equations



i have no idea. I'm not a physics person. I'm not even a student. i just need some help with this physics related problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



no solution attempted! I'm not excited about experimenting with this thing without at least having some advisement on how it should theoretically operate under this 'blank' setup.

it seems like anyone with a good grasp of elementary Newtonian physics would be able to answer this (clearly, i don't.) :smile:
 
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Quite an interesting problem, Prefetch. Thank you for it.
I never thought about recoil with blanks - just assumed it would be there, I guess.
But now that I think about it, there would indeed be very little recoil. I have even witnessed the same with demo rockets consisting of a pop bottle filled with air. They don't do much unless you put some water into act as reaction mass. The air pushes the water out - it has much more mass than the air so you get more momentum.
Mass x velocity is what matters.

Reducing the opening on the gun will increase the speed of the gases escaping so you could see perhaps a doubling of the recoil. But nothing like shooting a shell.
 
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delphi51 - thanks for the information. i re-posted into the main classical physics forum to get more details. thanks!
 

1. What is artillery recoil?

Artillery recoil refers to the backward movement of a cannon or gun after firing a projectile. This is caused by the force of the explosion pushing the projectile out of the barrel, which in turn pushes the gun in the opposite direction.

2. How is artillery recoil measured and calculated?

Artillery recoil is typically measured in units of distance, such as inches or millimeters. The amount of recoil is calculated by measuring the distance the gun moves backward, as well as the weight of the projectile and the gun itself. The calculation takes into account factors such as the gun's caliber, gunpowder charge, and angle of elevation.

3. What are the effects of artillery recoil on the gun and its crew?

Excessive recoil can cause damage to the gun's carriage, wheels, and other components. It can also make it difficult for the crew to maintain accuracy and control of the gun. In extreme cases, strong recoil can even injure or knock down the crew members operating the gun.

4. How do artillery manufacturers reduce recoil?

Artillery manufacturers use various techniques to reduce recoil, such as adding a muzzle brake to the gun's barrel, which redirects some of the gases produced by firing to counteract the recoil. Other methods include adding a counterweight to the gun or using a hydraulic recoil system to absorb the force of the recoil.

5. Can artillery recoil be completely eliminated?

While there are ways to reduce recoil, it cannot be completely eliminated due to the basic laws of physics. The force of the explosion and the weight of the projectile will always result in some degree of recoil. However, advancements in technology have allowed for more effective ways to manage and control recoil, making it less of a hindrance for artillery operations.

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