Question about Quantum Theory regarding hydrogen atom and photon

In summary, the conversation discusses the behavior of a single photon and a hydrogen atom in the presence of a spherical detector. It raises questions about the location and behavior of the photon before and after detection, and how quantum mechanics and quantum field theory may provide interpretations for these phenomena. The answer suggests that there are differing interpretations of QM and that there is no consensus on the exact behavior of photons and atoms in this scenario.
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euquila
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Assume the universe consists of a single photon, a single atom of hydrogen and a spherical detector (like an encompassing shell) with a semi-infinite radius.

The photon gets "absorbed" by the hydrogen atom.

Moments after the photon is emitted.

My question is the following: from the time the photon is emitted until it is detected, is it correct to say that the photon is everywhere* along a 2D spherical front? When it gets detected, will it show up as a point at a random location on the detector?

*I get the nagging feeling that the word everywhere is not accurate.

Also, does this example require more assumptions about the uncertainty in the electron/proton's momentum and position?

Thank you.
 
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euquila said:
from the time the photon is emitted until it is detected, is it correct to say that the photon is everywhere* along a 2D spherical front?

QM does not address this question. Rather, it is the subject of interpretations of QM. There are a number of interpretations of QM, all of which use the same math for predicting the the results of actual observations, and therefore cannot be distinguished by experiment. Some people here argue a lot about interpretations of QM, based on philosophical or metaphysical preferences.

When it gets detected, will it show up as a point at a random location on the detector?

Yes.
 
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jtbell: What is your opinion/interpretation on what is happening?

Photons assuredly do not blank out of existence simply because physics/mathematics is missing part of the story. Do you think string theory will eventually provide a better interpretation?
 
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It is also fair to say that QM does not describe dynamics of electromagnetic field at all. In Schroedinger's equation, there is nothing corresponding to radiation. No photons.

Electromagnetic radiation is addressed by quantum theory of field and there the photons are introduced. But this theory in turn has difficulties describing atoms exactly, so we do not have exact calculation of what happens even for the simplest case like that you mentioned.

The answer in quantum theory of fields depends also on how you look at quantum field [itex]A[/itex] (EM field). If you understand it as a probability function that photons will appear somewhere and do something, then (I think) the collapse of A happens instantaneously on the whole spherical surface, because it is only update of our knowledge about the state of the photon.

If you think A is something objective independent of the observer, then the collapse cannot be instantaneous in relativistic theory, so, if it happens at all, it has to be continuous process.

I am trying to discuss similar question "Are there quantum jumps?" here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3832997&posted=1#post3832997
 

What is the hydrogen atom?

The hydrogen atom is the simplest and most abundant atom in the universe. It consists of a single proton in its nucleus and a single electron orbiting the nucleus. It is the building block of all other elements.

What is the role of quantum theory in understanding the hydrogen atom?

Quantum theory, also known as quantum mechanics, is a fundamental theory in physics that explains the behavior of matter and energy at a very small scale, such as atoms and subatomic particles. It provides a framework for understanding the behavior of electrons in the hydrogen atom and the interactions between the atom and photons.

What is the significance of the energy levels in the hydrogen atom?

The energy levels in the hydrogen atom refer to the specific energy states that an electron can occupy while orbiting the nucleus. These energy levels are quantized, meaning they can only take on certain discrete values, as predicted by quantum theory. The energy levels play a crucial role in explaining the chemical properties of elements and the emission and absorption of photons.

How does the hydrogen atom interact with photons?

When an electron in the hydrogen atom transitions from a higher energy level to a lower one, it emits a photon with a specific energy and wavelength. Conversely, when a photon with the right energy collides with the atom, it can cause the electron to jump to a higher energy level. This interaction between the atom and photons is key to understanding the behavior of light and its interactions with matter.

What are the practical applications of understanding quantum theory in relation to the hydrogen atom and photons?

The understanding of quantum theory and its application to the hydrogen atom and photons has led to many technological advancements, such as the development of lasers, LED lights, and solar cells. It also plays a crucial role in fields such as chemistry, material science, and electronics. Furthermore, it continues to be an area of active research and has the potential to lead to even more groundbreaking discoveries and technologies in the future.

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