Can you send video over audio for space balloon project

In summary: I've never used the mode myself, but I'm sure most people would say that it's not really feasible or practical.
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tackyattack
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I am working on a space balloon project and I wanted to send video, or pictures, back to Earth via walki talki. I wanted to know if this would work; I connect a composite video cable from a camera to the wires of one of the walki talki's microphone wires. Then on the other end take the wires from the second walki talki's speaker and connect them directly to a tv or monitor's video input. Would I get any sort of a picture?
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tackyattack said:
I am working on a space balloon project and I wanted to send video, or pictures, back to Earth via walki talki. I wanted to know if this would work; I connect a composite video cable from a camera to the wires of one of the walki talki's microphone wires. Then on the other end take the wires from the second walki talki's speaker and connect them directly to a tv or monitor's video input. Would I get any sort of a picture?
THANK YOU!
Well, ye olde modems set data via an audio signal over phone lines so it is possible in principle. Amongst the many problems you will encounter are:
1] Transmission rate - at 300bps (or even 1200bps), you will get about one frame per minute. Either that or your framesize will be about 8x8pixels.
2] Codec - How will they decode the signal on the other end? They have no equipment to convert an audio to a video signal.
 
  • #3
DaveC426913 said:
Well, ye olde modems set data via an audio signal over phone lines so it is possible in principle. Amongst the many problems you will encounter are:
1] Transmission rate - at 300bps (or even 1200bps), you will get about one frame per minute. Either that or your framesize will be about 8x8pixels.
2] Codec - How will they decode the signal on the other end? They have no equipment to convert an audio to a video signal.

Okay, but what would happen if you did what I said, would anything happen?

camera ==> walki talki(mic)
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walki talki(speaker) ==> monitor(video in)
 
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tackyattack said:
Okay, but what would happen if you did what I said, would anything happen?

camera ==> walki talki(mic)
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walki talki(speaker) ==> monitor(video in)
Well, if you're lucky enough not to simply fry something, you'd get snow.

The signal is completely different. What you're doing is kind of like taking your TV cable and hotwiring it to your RCA_IN on your stereo, or somesuch.
 
  • #5
tackyattack said:
I connect a composite video cable from a camera to the wires of one of the walki talki's microphone wires. Then on the other end take the wires from the second walki talki's speaker and connect them directly to a tv or monitor's video input. Would I get any sort of a picture?
No. That will not work. The bandwidth requirements for the composite video are far to great for the audio bandwidth of the walki talki. As Dave said, you can only do this with a much slower frame rate. It would be like sending individual still pictures (frames) separated by a certain amount of time (frame rate). Or, the pictures would come in slowly over a certain amount of time. Amateur radio operators have been doing this for many years. They use a system called "slow scan tv". You can purchase equipment to do this, but you must have an amateur radio license to use it on the air. Also, it would be illegal to use this equipment with CB radios.
 
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Wouldn't an mpeg codec do a lot better than "slow scan TV"? You really have to think digital for this project.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Wouldn't an mpeg codec do a lot better than "slow scan TV"? You really have to think digital for this project.

I've never used the mode myself, but I'm sure most all modern setups for slow scan tv are digital now - using a computer, software, and sound card. Slow scan tv is designed for transmission via audio bandwidths. Is there an mpeg codec designed for this purpose?
 
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Thanks for the replys guys!
What would be the most simple, cheap, small, and portable option to send pictures or video over audio, like a walki talki or ham.
 
  • #9
What the other posters above are saying is that there isn't a quick and dirty way of kludging something like this together. This sort of project isn't unique--I'd suggest doing a Google search for high-altitude balloon project and seeing what sorts of setups others have used in these sorts of endeavors.

Heck, depending on altitude and drift, an X-11 camera hooked up to a Wi-Fi router and cantenna might be sufficient!
 
  • #10
Perhaps there is another approach?

Why are you restricting the signal to audio bandwidth?

The radio carrier signal used in your 'walkie talkie' is capable of supporting a much higher bandwidth than audio, it is not normally done for various reasons, but could easily be done for special purposes like this.

You should start with a statemnt of the available carrier.
 
  • #11
Studiot said:
Perhaps there is another approach?

Why are you restricting the signal to audio bandwidth?

The radio carrier signal used in your 'walkie talkie' is capable of supporting a much higher bandwidth than audio, it is not normally done for various reasons, but could easily be done for special purposes like this.

You should start with a statemnt of the available carrier.

I want to use walki talki's because it is cheap and small and has great range. I just need some simple, cheap, small, and portable way to transmit video from the space balloon back to the earth. My goal is to make it able to transmit 30 miles or more.
 
  • #12
If it were possible to modify a walkie-talkie easily for increased bandwidth, the range for video will not be the same as audio. Regardless of which method of encoding is used, a higher bandwidth will reduce the signal to noise ratio in the receiver.
 
  • #13
The problem you will face is that all that equipment intended to transfer audio signals filters out all the frequencies not in typical audible range. Voice transfer even more so.

So all the high-frequency components (probably 95% of your signal) will be lost.
 
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Basically I want to make something like the kenwood VC-H1. CCD => SSTV => Audio out
How hard would it be to make SSTV converter? Could it be done with a single AVR? I don't really care if it is in color or high res, I just want to see where the heck my balloon is.
 
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I am sure there is free software available to decode an audio SSTV signal.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
I am sure there is free software available to decode an audio SSTV signal.

Ya, I know how to decode it, but how do I encode it? Could I use an arduino?
 
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I want to use walki talki's because it is cheap and small and has great range. I just need some simple, cheap, small, and portable way to transmit video from the space balloon back to the earth. My goal is to make it able to transmit 30 miles or more.

I know what you want, you have already said that.

But wanting doesn't make reality.

I did tell you how to do it, and asked a simple question to forward the matter, but you seem to have overlooked this.
 
  • #18
Studiot said:
I know what you want, you have already said that.

But wanting doesn't make reality.

I did tell you how to do it, and asked a simple question to forward the matter, but you seem to have overlooked this.

Sorry I missed what you said, I am using Motorola MH230R walkie talkies.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UE6MIO/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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I am not in the US but there are licencing issues with these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service

Note that the range stated is 2/3 your desired and Wiki suggests normal range about 1/10 of this.

Since they are channelised at 20Khz spacing they are not suitable for the scheme I was proposing.

There was a scheme to download pictorial information from weather satellites using Slow Scan techniques, that you could adapt to audio modulation. This was published in Wireless World. But 20 kHz will not get you a significant frame rate.

Thre is a lot of work involved.
 

1. Can you really send video over audio for a space balloon project?

Yes, it is possible to send video over audio for a space balloon project. This method is known as slow-scan television (SSTV) and has been used by amateur radio operators for decades to transmit images over long distances.

2. How does sending video over audio work for a space balloon project?

The process involves converting the video signal into an audio signal using a device called a video-to-audio encoder. This audio signal is then transmitted via radio waves to a receiver on the ground, where it is decoded back into a video signal. This allows for the transmission of live video footage from the space balloon to the ground station.

3. What are the benefits of using video over audio for a space balloon project?

One of the main benefits is that it allows for the transmission of live video footage from high altitudes, which is not possible with traditional methods like using a camera and storing the footage on a memory card. Additionally, using audio signals for transmission is more efficient and requires less power, making it a more practical option for a space balloon project.

4. Are there any limitations to sending video over audio for a space balloon project?

Yes, there are a few limitations to consider. The quality of the video may be affected by factors such as interference, distance, and atmospheric conditions. Additionally, the video transmission may also be affected by the capabilities and limitations of the equipment being used.

5. What equipment is needed to send video over audio for a space balloon project?

To send video over audio for a space balloon project, you will need a video-to-audio encoder, a transmitter, and a receiver. You will also need a camera to capture the video footage and a space balloon to carry the equipment to high altitudes. It is also important to have a ground station with a suitable antenna and receiver to receive the audio signal and decode it back into a video signal.

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