Physics department faculty advisor said Modern Physics will be hardest course

In summary, the conversation discussed the physics program and the difficulty of the Modern Physics courses. The prerequisites for the courses were mentioned, including calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations. It was also noted that the Electrodynamics course may be equally challenging. Overall, the conversation recommended being well-prepared in mathematics for these courses.
  • #1
Shackleford
1,656
2
She said it's probably the hardest course I'll take in the physics program. Right now, I'm taking University Physics I with II right after. What's the best way I can prepare for the Modern Physics courses?

PHYS 3315: Modern Physics I
Cr. 3. (3-0). Prerequisites: PHYS 1301 and 1302, or PHYS 1322, and credit for or concurrent enrollment in MATH 3331. The fundamental concepts of quantum physics and relativity. Applications to atomic structure and spectra, black body radiation, solid state physics, and nuclei.

PHYS 3316: Modern Physics II
Cr. 3. (3-0). Prerequisite: PHYS 3315. The fundamental concepts of quantum physics and relativity. Applications to atomic structure and spectra, black body radiation, solid state physics, and nuclei.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Linear algebra and diffy equations. If you don't understand quantum mechanics, then you truly understand quantum mechanics.
 
  • #3
Yes, definitely linear algebra and differential equations. Everything you do in quantum mechanics is based on differential equations, and a lot of tricks you do to make it solvable use linear algebra.

The relativity stuff I had in my courses was all algebra, but really kicked my butt conceptually. Don't know what yours will be like, though.
 
  • #4
What's the textbook being used? If it's a typical "modern physics" course (which is what I read from the description) than it will be a book like Krane, Tipler, or Beiser. If that's the case, then 1st year calculus and physics is sufficient. Also if it is a course like I'm describing I would question your adviser's statement that this will be your toughest course. Upper division QM, EM, etc will be a lot more mathematically sophisticated and challenging than these types of modern physics courses.

The last two posters gave you the prereqs for junior/senior level courses like a QM or E&M course that uses a text like Griffiths, and not the type of course that I interpret it to be from the description.

EDIT: I stand corrected by the post below.
 
Last edited:
  • #5
A bit of Googling turned up your course catalog (University of Houston, right?), from which I could find out that Math 3331 is Differential Equations, which has both Calculus III and Linear Algebra as prerequisites. So if you have those, you should be OK.

It looks like UH doesn't have a separate undergraduate Quantum Mechanics course, so these two Modern Physics courses must include what many other schools put in a separate QM course. Pretty heavy stuff... have fun! :cool:
 
  • #6
jtbell said:
A bit of Googling turned up your course catalog (University of Houston, right?), from which I could find out that Math 3331 is Differential Equations, which has both Calculus III and Linear Algebra as prerequisites. So if you have those, you should be OK.

It looks like UH doesn't have a separate undergraduate Quantum Mechanics course, so these two Modern Physics courses must include what many other schools put in a separate QM course. Pretty heavy stuff... have fun! :cool:

Heh. Yeah, sorry, I guess I should state the university. By the time I start Modern Physics, I'll have Linear Algebra and Differential Equations under my belt. From my experience, it seems the physics is easier once you have the mathematics fully under your belt. I forgot to mention she also said the Electrodynamics course would be among the most difficult as well.

Modern Physics I, II, Electrodynamics, and an Advanced Laboratory course would be the most difficult. I asked about the rest of the program, and she said it wouldn't be too bad.
 
  • #7
It also depends on the person really.You may even find them very easy.As the others said,the math used in modern physics (quantum mech,relativity) is differential equations(partial also) and some linear algebra and geometry.Electrodynamics uses a lot of vector analysis.
 
  • #8
I don't mean to presume too much here, however, generally the modern physics class you take is just an intro to the upper level physics classes like Classical Mechanics, Thermal Physics and Quantum Mechanics.

I'm sure all schools are different in this aspect, but the modern physics class I took was similar to what unit circle described.
calc 1 and 2 should be sufficient, and maybe having diff eq will help. You will study the Schrodinger equation, which is second order DE, however the solutions you will have to do won't be too tough. There are not many simple solutions to the DE so they don't usually ask you to do any but the basic ones because the harder solutions are just too messy to ask you to work out on a test, that waits until you have a formal Quantum Mech class.

Your university may be different, but I
ve never ehard of a modern physics class being the toughest offered, I would think the higher level quantum classes or an advanced EM class would be harder.
 

1. What makes Modern Physics a difficult course?

Modern Physics is considered a difficult course because it covers complex and abstract concepts that may be challenging for students to understand. It also requires a strong foundation in mathematics and a deep understanding of classical physics principles.

2. How can I prepare for Modern Physics?

To prepare for Modern Physics, it is recommended to review your understanding of classical physics principles, particularly in mechanics and electromagnetism. Additionally, brushing up on your mathematics skills, especially in calculus and linear algebra, can be helpful.

3. Is it necessary to have a strong background in physics to do well in Modern Physics?

While a strong background in physics can be beneficial, it is not necessary to do well in Modern Physics. With dedication and effort, anyone can succeed in this course. However, having a basic understanding of classical physics principles is important.

4. Are there any resources available if I struggle with Modern Physics?

Yes, most universities have tutoring services or study groups for students who need extra help in their courses. You can also seek support from your professor or teaching assistant, and utilize textbooks, online resources, and practice problems to improve your understanding.

5. What kind of career opportunities can Modern Physics lead to?

Modern Physics can open up a variety of career opportunities in fields such as research, engineering, technology, and academia. It provides a strong foundation for understanding the fundamental principles of the universe and can lead to exciting and innovative career paths.

Similar threads

Replies
3
Views
2K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • STEM Academic Advising
Replies
15
Views
2K

Back
Top