Permanent Magnet vs. Electromagnet: What's the Difference?

In summary: Just to be clear, permanent magnets do not have current flowing through them. Take a screwdriver or other piece of iron/steel and repeatedly stroke along the length of it with a permanent magnet. The more often done, the more the piece of metal will become... magnetized.
  • #106
Sedilclue said:
Same sign repulsion and different sign attraction doesn't explain WHY.
That can be the main problem here. No one is giving a nice answer.
A nice Mechanistic would ask for a mechanic model that can explain magnet properties. Instead of that Magnetic phenomena are explain as a quasi magic force.

In 100+ posts there have been 'nice answers', 'easy answers', 'academic answers' and others. Unfortunately none has proved to be satisfactory.

In as far as it can't be explained without resorting to a force which cannot be seen then it could be looked upon as "quasi magic". There is not a 'mechanical' answer to the question any more than there is a 'mechanical' answer to why this table is solid. Why expect things to have answers that are easy and accurate at the same time?
 
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  • #107
When a magnet is broken into pieces, each piece is found to be a magnet with two poles.

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Why Does this Happens If We Broke Only South Pole then Why Does it is Automatically Converted To Both South And North Pole ?
 
  • #108
Those other poles were there all along.
 
  • #109
Xidike said:
When a magnet is broken into pieces, each piece is found to be a magnet with two poles.

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N===============S
N======S N======S


Why Does this Happens If We Broke Only South Pole then Why Does it is Automatically Converted To Both South And North Pole ?

You can view the top single bar magnet as made up of lots and lots of tiny small magnets
creating an overall large bar magnet

D
 
  • #110
Why Does Magnet Become Demagnetized On Heating ??
 
  • #111
davenn said:
You can view the top single bar magnet as made up of lots and lots of tiny small magnets
creating an overall large bar magnet

D

How does the tiny small magnets form north pole at one end and the same tiny small magnets form south pole at other end ? Very odd .. huh..
 
  • #112
Xidike said:
How does the tiny small magnets form north pole at one end and the same tiny small magnets form south pole at other end ? Very odd .. huh..

nope, not odd at all.

the individual "particles" of iron that make up the magnet each have their own magnetic dipoles ( N and S) that when all combined and all aligned the same way, make up an overall larger magnet

and to answer your other Q about heat.
Excessive heat ( when the Curie Point) is reached, that alignment gets disrupted and the magnetic field can be weakened or even totally destroyed.

Dave
 
  • #113
It's "very odd" that you are still asking these questions. I can hardly believe Xidike is real. You are failing the Turing test, I think.
 
  • #114
davenn said:
nope, not odd at all.

the individual "particles" of iron that make up the magnet each have their own magnetic dipoles ( N and S) that when all combined and all aligned the same way, make up an overall larger magnet

and to answer your other Q about heat.
Excessive heat ( when the Curie Point) is reached, that alignment gets disrupted and the magnetic field can be weakened or even totally destroyed.

Dave

minor nitpick: the Curie point is a phase transition same as boiling or freezing. Its either all ferromagnetic, or its not.
 
  • #115
chill_factor said:
minor nitpick: the Curie point is a phase transition same as boiling or freezing. Its either all ferromagnetic, or its not.

Phase transitions are at a fixed temperature for pure substances but, in many mixtures, the transition can be over a wide range of temperatures - consider what happens in engine coolant mixtures. I would expect the same to apply to magnetic materials.
 
  • #116
Can magnetic lines of forces be seen ??
 
  • #117
Yes. When they vibrate at optical frequencies.
 
  • #118
sophiecentaur said:
Yes. When they vibrate at optical frequencies.

yup or indirectly when you place a bar magnet under a sheet of paper and sprinkle iron filings over the paper they will display the field lines :)

Dave

PS thanks for the backup, sophiecentaur
 
  • #119
I've given up on giving sensible answers. Looking at this guy's personal profile, I would suspect he's playing with an AI program for his contributions to this thread. He'll be asking whether magnetism ever affected your relations with your Mother next.
 
  • #120
if a conductor is placed in magnetic field then How can magnet cause the flow of current in that conductor ?
 
  • #121
Xidike said:
if a conductor is placed in magnetic field then How can magnet cause the flow of current in that conductor ?

GOOGLE IT!

You are really starting to annoy people

Dave
 
  • #122
Xidike said:
if a conductor is placed in magnetic field then How can magnet cause the flow of current in that conductor ?
It will cause his ticket machine to burst into flames.
You are sussed my boy.
 
  • #123
I think we're done here.
 

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