How to Solve a Tricky Integral: Step-by-Step Guide for Beginners

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In summary: THANK YOU! In summary, the author is working on a problem where he has to use a different integral from the one in the book. He is confused and needs help. After following the advice in the summary, he is able to solve the problem.
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ok i got this problem:

[tex]\int\frac{\sqrt{x-2}} {x+1} \,dx[/tex]

then i have to let u=(x-2)^0.5 then i solve for x in terms of u

so i get x= u^2+2
dx=2u du

[tex]\int\frac{\sqrt{x-2}} {x+1} \,dx=\int\frac{u}{u^2+3}\,2u\,du[/tex]

where when i substitute i get:

[tex]\int\frac{2u^2} {u^2+3}\,du[/tex]. after that I am completely lost.
 
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Maybe:

Pull the 2 out, then add 0 to the top (+3 - 3). Then, can you solve: [tex]2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du[/tex]
 
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Try making u = x+1
 
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mattmns said:
Maybe:

Pull the 2 out, then add 0 to the top (+3 - 3). Then split the fractions and easy.

what if i do this
[tex]\frac{2u^2}{u^2+3}=2-\frac6{u^2+3}[/tex] i do polynomial long division. lol. but then what??
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Try making u = x+1

It will be easier but the book says i have to use the other one.
 
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what if i do this
[tex]\frac{2u^2}{u^2+3}=2-\frac6{u^2+3}[/tex] i do polynomial long division. lol. but then what??

Then it's cool. The first time is easily integrable. The second term has a solution as well.

Edit: Integrating the second term will be easier with substitution [tex]u = a\tan y[/tex], and the identity [tex]\tan^2 x + 1 = \sec^2 x[/tex]
 
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Did you see my edit? I think that is really easy to solve. No polynomial division needed :smile:
 
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[tex]2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du[/tex]


how is that helpful?
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
[tex]2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du[/tex]


how is that helpful?
Split that up into two parts:

(a+b)/ c = a/c + b/cSo,
[tex]2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3} du = 2(\int\1du - \int\frac{3}{u^2+3}du)[/tex]

Which is easy to solve, unless I made some silly mistake.
 
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mattmns said:
Maybe:

Pull the 2 out, then add 0 to the top (+3 - 3). Then, can you solve: [tex]2\int\frac{u^2 + 3 - 3} {u^2+3}\,du[/tex]

I am confused with differnent methods sorry I've been trying for a few hours. I don't know what to do.
 
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Gotcha mattmns, your right that is easier.


looking at my table of integrals:

[tex] \int \frac{dx}{x^2 + a^2} = \frac {1} { a} tan^{-1} ( \frac{x}{a} ) + C [/tex]

where x is your u, and a is square root of 3.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Gotcha mattmns, your right that is easier.


looking at my table of integrals:

[tex] \int \frac{dx}{x^2 + a^2} = \frac {1} { a} tan^{-1} ( \frac{x}{a} ) + C [/tex]


so if i will get as an answer this??

[tex]2u-6\frac{1} {\sqrt{3}} tan^-1\frac{u} {\sqrt{3}},+c[/tex]
 
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change all your U's into [tex] \sqrt{x-2} [/tex], and you can anwser your own question, if we did this right, take the derivative, do you get the question you were asked in the beginning? That is always a good check to do when your not certain.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
change all your U's into [tex] \sqrt{x-2} [/tex], and you can anwser your own question, if we did this right, take the derivative, do you get the question you were asked in the beginning? That is always a good check to do when your not certain.

You are totally right my friend, but in the book it gives me this answer

[tex]2\sqrt{x-2}-2\sqrt{3}\tan^{-1}\left(\sqrt{\frac{x-2}3}\right)+C[/tex]
 
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hmmm the inner part of the ( ) looks good, some how I goofed off the 2 (3)^.5 part let me see.

nope were still fine, just multiply top and bottom by square root of three. so that you go from [tex] \frac { 6} { \sqrt 3 } [/tex]

to

[tex] \frac { 6 \sqrt 3} { ( \sqrt 3)^2 } [/tex]

and you get

[tex] 2 \sqrt {3} [/tex]
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
hmmm the inner part of the ( ) looks good, some how I goofed off the 2 (3)^.5 part let me see.

nope were still fine, just multiply top and bottom by square root of three.

LoL, no problem thanks. Thank you very much for the help.

I see i really needed it
 
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