Constraint Forces: Definition & Necessity

In summary: The fundamental basis of the lagrangian formulation is the fact that the virtual displacement are perpendicular to the constraint forces. This is verified by the equation that states that the dot product of force and (virtual) displacement is zero at equilibrium.
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pardesi
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the fundamental basis of the lagrangian formulation is the fact that the virtual displacement are perpendicular to the constraint forces
so how does one define constraint forces?
is it necessary for the virtual displacement consistent with the given constraints be perpendicular to the constraint forces?
 
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The constraint forces are those forces that make the masses which you are investigating comply with the geometrical configuration of your problem.

For example, if you are investigating a pendulum where a mass m hangs on a (massless) string of length r, the force of constraint is simply the force that the string excerts on the mass (thereby making sure that it stays at a distance r from the support point).
 
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hmm that's an intuitive def i got that part explain me the other part and how does the definition prove the fact that i claimed?
 
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Pardesi,

You have several questions listed involving forces of constraint- I empathize. Let's see if I can help out with the conceptual foundations. I have the second edition of Goldstein, so the equation numbers I use may be slightly different than yours.

The Lagrangian (and Hamiltonian) formulation is not much different than F=ma. It's just written in a more general framework involving energy. The question "constraint forces" tries to address is:

How can we describe constrained motion using F=ma?

For example, picture a ball rolling on a surface (with gravity present). Gravity acts 'down', yet the ball cannot simply fall, it is constrained to lie on the surface. The problem of constraint forces is used to describe the force keeping the ball on the surface.

Remember, this is classical mechanics and was invented a loooooooong time before people knew about electrons, there was no proof of atoms existing, no theory for the electromagnetic (or even electrostatic) forc. So, we posit that a force constrains the ball to the surface.

The ball (eventually) comes to rest somewhere on the surface- an equilibrium configuration. Thus, the sums of forces and torques is zero. Goldstein then writes Eq. 1-40 (page 16) invoking "virtual work", but it's just another way to write that the system is in equilibrium.

He then posits "the net virtual work of the forces of constraint is zero" without giving any real jusitification. But, it's clear that *at equilibrium*, the force keeping the ball in contact with the surface must act normal to the surface, while the ball can only move tangentially on the surface. So the dot product of force and (virtual) displacement is zero.

The Equation 1-43 to 1-47 are straightforward: 1-46 and 1-47 are just equivalent ways of expressing a differential, with the idea that dt can be eliminated. The text between 1-47 and 1-48 is a discussion of coordinate transformations rather than physics.

Does that help?
 
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Andy Resnick said:
So the dot product of force and (virtual) displacement is zero.

Thank you.
 

1. What are constraint forces?

Constraint forces are forces that arise due to the constraints placed on a system. These constraints can be physical or mathematical and limit the motion of the system. Examples of constraint forces include tension in a rope, normal force on a surface, and friction.

2. Why are constraint forces necessary in physics?

Constraint forces are necessary in physics because they help us understand and analyze the motion of systems that are constrained in some way. Without taking into account these forces, our equations and calculations would not accurately describe the behavior of the system.

3. How are constraint forces different from other types of forces?

Constraint forces are different from other types of forces in that they do not arise from direct interactions between two objects. Instead, they arise from the constraints placed on the system. Other types of forces, such as gravitational or electromagnetic forces, arise from interactions between objects.

4. Can constraint forces be both positive and negative?

Yes, constraint forces can be both positive and negative. Positive constraint forces act in the direction of the constraint, while negative constraint forces act in the opposite direction. For example, a tension force in a rope pulling an object upwards would be positive, while a normal force pushing down on an object would be negative.

5. How do constraint forces affect the motion of a system?

Constraint forces can affect the motion of a system by limiting or altering its movement. For example, a rope holding up a hanging object will prevent it from falling due to gravity. Additionally, constraint forces can also cause changes in the direction or magnitude of the system's velocity, acceleration, and momentum.

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