Discover How to Solve the x = y sin(x) Equation with Expert Tips

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In summary, the conversation discusses the difficulty in finding a general formula for x in an equation involving y and sin(x). The suggestion is to use approximation methods such as Newton's method. It is also mentioned that the function taking x to y is not one-to-one and is very non-injective. This could cause confusion for those not familiar with these concepts.
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Hi,

I can't come up with a general forumla for x in this equation. Any advice ?

x = y sin(x)
 
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There is no analytic solution for x. Your best bet is to use Newton's method or any other approximation method that will give you as much accuracy as you desire.
 
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Beyond an analytic solution, there isn't a unique solution. The function [itex]\mathbb R\setminus \pi\mathbb Z \to \mathbb R[/itex] taking [itex]x\to y=\dfrac{x}{\sin x}[/itex] isn't one-to-one. In fact, there are infinitely many places at which very-close-but-different values of [itex]x[/itex] are taken to the exact same [itex]y[/itex] value.
 
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economicsnerd said:
Beyond an analytic solution, there isn't a unique solution. The function [itex]\mathbb R\setminus \pi\mathbb Z \to \mathbb R[/itex] taking [itex]x\to y=\dfrac{x}{\sin x}[/itex] is very non-injective. There are infinitely many points at which it isn't even locally injective.

The intersection between those who would ask the OPs question and those who know who know what injective or locally injective must be null or a small number. A reasonable number that include me belong to neither class. :smile:
 
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epenguin said:
The intersection between those who would ask the OPs question and those who know who know what injective or locally injective must be null or a small number. A reasonable number that include me belong to neither class. :smile:

You're right! I'll edit it (though my quoted mistake is immortalized in your post). :)
 

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