Effective universe cutoff at z=1.73, is this circular logic?

In summary, the current understanding of the cosmos and its boundary suggests that no event beyond z = 1.73 can be observed or have any causal effect. This is based on empirical observation and the evidence of accelerated expansion. The question is how to incorporate this into the theoretical model and what is causing this expansion. Easson, Frampton, and Smoot have proposed adding a boundary term to the equations, which can explain the observed acceleration without the need for exotic concepts like dark energy. However, there are concerns about circular reasoning in this approach, which raises questions about the validity of the proposal.
  • #1
marcus
Science Advisor
Gold Member
Dearly Missed
24,775
792
When it is fitted to supernova observations, our standard picture of the cosmos tells us that the current boundary of the universe which can affect us is at z = 1.73.

As of today, no event that occurs beyond that limit can ever be known to us or have any causal effect.

This is primarily based on empirical observation, not on theory. Whatever the underlying reason may be, we have observed evidence of accelerated expansion. From which this causal limit follows.

The question is how to assimilate this into our theoretical model. What has been causing this accelerated expansion? How should we write it into the equations so that they will predict what we have seen? If there are several ways to re-write the equations to be consistent with observation, then which way is simplest and involves the least "made-up" stuff?

Easson Frampton Smoot have proposed to include a BOUNDARY TERM in the equation defining the model that would represent whatever is right on this boundary.

EFS have now shown that their proposal is approximately consistent with the observed amount of acceleration. So it is a candidate: one of the possible ways of adapting the standard cosmo equations.
They add a boundary term, but then they do not need an exotic "dark energy", or an ad hoc "cosmological constant" whose small but positive size has puzzled some people because it looks like fine tuning.

However a natural and fairly frequent reaction to the EFS proposal is to say "Isn't this circular reasoning?"

So that is what this thread is intended for. Is it circular reasoning? In what sense? And if so, is that bad? :biggrin:
 
Last edited:
Space news on Phys.org
  • #2
The main thread here about the Easson Frampton Smoot paper was started by Nicksauce:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=382004
There are many issues, a lot of stuff to discuss, some of it fairly technical.

What I want to do here is just focus on this one issue of circular reasoning. I think it is paramount. Several people including Nicksauce have raised it.

There is more discussion of EFS in the Beyond forum, because it involves Erik Verlinde's concept of "entropic force". Entropic force is of interest outside cosmology. But EFS is a specialized cosmology paper dealing with what is probably the foremost issue in the field: the "nature" or explanation for "dark energy". Does "dark energy" even exist? Or is it, as EFS suggest, merely a bookkeeping trick to account for the effect of a boundary term which has hitherto been omitted?
 

1. What is the significance of the effective universe cutoff at z=1.73?

The effective universe cutoff at z=1.73 refers to the maximum distance that we can observe in the universe, which corresponds to a redshift of 1.73. This redshift indicates the point at which the expansion of the universe began to accelerate, and beyond this point, light from distant objects is stretched to the point of being undetectable.

2. How is the effective universe cutoff determined?

The effective universe cutoff is determined through observations of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation. By measuring the tiny temperature fluctuations in the CMB, scientists can calculate the scale of the observable universe and the redshift at which light from distant objects becomes undetectable.

3. Is the effective universe cutoff a result of circular logic?

No, the effective universe cutoff is not a result of circular logic. It is a well-established concept based on observations and mathematical models of the universe. The redshift of 1.73 is a natural consequence of the expansion of the universe and the acceleration of that expansion.

4. How does the effective universe cutoff affect our understanding of the universe?

The effective universe cutoff has significant implications for our understanding of the universe. It provides a limit to how much of the universe we can observe and study. Beyond this cutoff, we can only make theoretical predictions based on our current understanding of the laws of physics.

5. Can the effective universe cutoff change over time?

Yes, the effective universe cutoff can change over time as the universe continues to expand. As the expansion rate of the universe changes, the redshift at which light becomes undetectable may shift to a higher or lower value. However, the concept of an effective universe cutoff will still remain, and the maximum observable distance will always be limited by the speed of light and the rate of expansion of the universe.

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
14
Views
1K
  • Cosmology
2
Replies
38
Views
4K
Replies
20
Views
2K
  • Cosmology
Replies
3
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
3K
Back
Top