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What credit should President Bush receive for suggesting a manned Mars trip? Does he scheme to one-up Kennedy, evade failed policy, or nationalize the world (all for ~$500,000,000,000)?
Originally posted by Andy
GO BUSH! WOOHOOO!
Lets kick some martian butt!
Over the past 23 years, Hope estimates he has made $6.25 million selling land on the moon and the planets, primarily Mars and Venus.
For $19.99, along with a $1.51 lunar tax, you, too, can buy an acre on the moon or Mars. Hope even will send you a deed. If you don't like it, he gives a 30-day, money-back guarantee.
"I am fully aware of what I am doing," he says. "I am not operating a scam. I am taking advantage of an opportunity shown to me by a loophole in the law. I am exercising my right to be as profitable as possible."...
...In a flash, he remembered something he learned 12 years earlier while taking a political science class at an Oregon college.
His professor discussed the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, signed by all members of the United Nations. Hope remembered that all governments agreed no nation would have sovereignty or control over any of the celestial bodies.
But they did not mention individuals owning planets, he recalled. He drove to the local library to check whether his memory had failed him. It hadn't.
"When they passed the treaty, they probably never thought about individuals," Hope said. "It may have been an innocent mistake. So I filed a declaration of ownership for the moon and the eight other planets and their moons."
He filed his declaration of ownership in the local courthouse and quickly sent letters to the governments of the United States, Soviet Union and the United Nations. In those letters he expressed his ownership rights and intention to sell and subdivide the moon and planets.
"I said if they had any problem with it, let me know," Hope said. "I am still waiting to hear from them."
The three most important words in real estate:Originally posted by jimmy p
where do i send my cheque? at the rate we are 'exploring' people will be dying to buy moonland.. got to be ahead of the game in the property market!
Uhhh... Be a true capitalist, sell off all three to the highest bidder, and get real rich real fast?Originally posted by Nereid
But what if oil, uranium, and WMD were discovered on 'your' lunar (or martian) half acre/bottom paddock/plot?
You WILL care if Rummy thinks - or can be persuaded - that you have WMDOriginally posted by jimmy p
Hey, that was written on the earth, if I am on my plot of land on the moon I'm not going to care!
If they have "no right to stop him" on the basis of "no ownership rights" then they also have no right to validate, either, him, or his claim, nor responcibility to protect his 'rights' that he doesn't really have and really cannot enforce...legally speaking(?)Actually, these and other nations have no right to stop him because they surrendered any ownership rights in the U.N. treaty, Hope said.
This is a very grey area in space law right now.Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
from Ivans link..
If they have "no right to stop him" on the basis of "no ownership rights" then they also have no right to validate, either, him, or his claim, nor responcibility to protect his 'rights' that he doesn't really have and really cannot enforce...legally speaking(?)
Whats not immediate, two differing nations could confer the same rights to two distinct and separate coporate (and or private) landclaimers, and you now have a conflict that the two states enter into via their respective assignatin of rights that they assign in a place where they enforce no rights, nor can support 'ownership' rights, and haven't the right to assign 'the right' that they don't really possesses 'to assign' in the first place, perhaps it should only be "People from Earth" who travel out/off of this planets atmosphere/face...whadda you think?Originally posted by Evo
This is a very grey area in space law right now.
"Article II of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty1 prohibits national appropriation of outer space, but it does not prohibit private appropriation.2 Hence, private entities may appropriate area in outer space or on a celestial body, although states may not.
Because the relationship between property and territorial sovereignty differs under common law and civil law systems, it is not immediately clear whether Article II would permit national governments to confer property rights upon private entities under their jurisdiction."
You've hit the nail on the head!Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Whats not immediate, two differing nations could confer the same rights to two distinct and separate coporate (and or private) landclaimers, and you now have a conflict that the two states enter into via their respective assignatin of rights that they assign in a place where they enforce no rights, nor can support 'ownership' rights, and haven't the right to assign 'the right' that they don't really possesses 'to assign' in the first place, perhaps it should only be "People from Earth" who travel out/off of this planets atmosphere/face...whadda you think?
Ya cool, but I have the "mineral rights" so if you need to use anything beneath your feet, well send chq. or Money orders C/O "Saturnia mining Co" or simply insert cash in the slot provided...Originally posted by jimmy p
I CALL SATURN!
Originally posted by jimmy p
Garn, should have thought of that one...however you will have to pay comission yourself to get access to my private property and do you work so i expect a hefty cheque to come MY way!
True, if Mr Parsons has the mineral rights, I don't believe you can stop him from tearing your property up to get what is his.Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
go read the law buddy...
Chopnik, get the mineral rights!Originally posted by jimmy p
DAMMIT! humph well, its my planet my rules. Ok, well i'll lay claim on Uranus too, no-one will want to mine up there!
I'm relying on you son! BTW, you're half American now.Originally posted by jimmy p
OOH OOH QUICKLY! mineral rights are mine too HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
hey mom, I am suprised you didnt get them first!
I can almost gaurantee that no one will be wanting to mine around Uranus.Originally posted by jimmy p
DAMMIT! humph well, its my planet my rules. Ok, well i'll lay claim on Uranus too, no-one will want to mine up there!
Originally posted by Evo
I'm relying on you son! BTW, you're half American now.