A curious function in quantum gravity

In summary, quantum gravity research is currently experiencing changes and a new function, L(x), has been discovered. This function is related to Black Hole entropy and LQG, and is defined by summing over half-integer spins and taking the geometric mean of successive pairs of spins to use as an exponent for x. It has been found that when L(x) equals 1/2, the value of x is approximately 4.448, which is used to determine the Barbero-Immirzi parameter. While this function may seem similar to the Riemann zeta, it is actually quite different and is proving to be a difficult problem for researchers to solve. However, plotting the function shows that it converges quickly and
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quantum gravity research seems to be undergoing some changes
so just because this function comes up today doesn't mean it
will be around for eternity, but that said, look at this function


[tex]L(x) = \sum_{p = semi-integer > 0}\frac{1}{x^\sqrt{p(p+1)}}[/tex]

It comes up in connection with Black Hole entropy, and LQG.
The Immirzi parameter (a useful number in LQG) can be found
by solving the equation

L(x) = 1/2

what does this function look like? Would it be convenient for anyone at PF to plot it? has anyone seen this function before. I have not.

It is vaguely reminding me of the Riemann zeta, but it really is not anything like the Riemann zeta

you sum over all half-integer spins-----1/2, 1, 3/2, 2, 5/2,...

and you take the geometric mean of successive pairs of spins

and use that as an exponent for x.

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suppose you solved numerically and discovered the X such that
L(X) = 1/2
(do we know that a solution exists? is it unique?)

then if you took the natural logarithm of X and divided by 2 pi
that would be what Christoph Meissner at Warsaw (and Jerzy L, and friends) are saying is the right Immirzi number.

maybe even without the quantum gravity connection this function
L(x) is a nice function. or who knows maybe it is just some throwaway
function with a boring shape.

like 1/x3/2

Oh, if you could find an analytic expression for this function, or rather its inverse, then you would have a research paper
following on the coattails of Meissner gr-qc/0407052

but no one will find such an analytic expression because Poles are known to be very good at that sort of thing and Meissner would have already made great efforts to do it and couldnt. so it is a kind of novelty, a nice-looking
easy to define function which Poles cannot solve.
 
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I had better re-write this more clearly


[tex]L(x) = \sum_{p= half integer > 0}x^{-\sqrt{p(p+1)}[/tex]

that way there is less chance of mistake.

Being unable to find a formula for this, Meissner resorted to the computer and by brute calculation found the number X such that

L(X) = 1/2

It turns out that X must be 4.448...
but he determined it to more than ten decimal places.

Once having found 4.448 one should take the natural logarithm
of it, which turns out to be around 1.492...(reminding us of Columbus)
and then divide by 2 pi (because he proved the Earth is round)
and that, says Meissner, is the highly-esteemed Barbero-Immirzi parameter
 
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It looks quite boring: monotonically decreasing away from x=1 (where its infinite of course). It converges very quickly past x=3 or so, so its not hard to make a plot of it even with some free software.
 
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Stingray said:
It looks quite boring...

thanks much for checking Stingray
I was afraid it would be
 

1. What is a curious function in quantum gravity?

A curious function in quantum gravity is a mathematical equation that describes how gravity works at the quantum level. It is still a theoretical concept and has not been fully proven or understood.

2. How does this function differ from classical gravity?

This function differs from classical gravity in that it takes into account the principles of quantum mechanics, such as uncertainty and wave-particle duality, which classical gravity does not.

3. What is the significance of this function in the study of quantum gravity?

This function is significant because it could potentially reconcile the theories of general relativity and quantum mechanics, which have been notoriously difficult to unite. It could also provide a better understanding of the behavior of particles at the quantum level.

4. Are there any practical applications of this function?

At this point, there are no known practical applications of this function. However, further research in this area could lead to advancements in technology and our understanding of the universe.

5. What challenges are researchers facing in studying this function?

One of the main challenges researchers face in studying this function is the lack of experimental evidence. Since it is a theoretical concept, it is difficult to test and verify its accuracy. Additionally, the mathematical equations involved in quantum gravity are complex and not easily understood, making it a challenging field of study.

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