Entropy and Big Bang: Exploring Order and Disorder

In summary, according to the first speaker, order and disorder are two different concepts, and thermal equilibrium is disorder. The first speaker also believes that the most ordered state is the big bang, which is chaos started after. The second speaker points out that different parts of the universe were never in causal contact with one another, and this is why the universe is uniform temperature across different parts. Despite being highly ordered, cosmic inflation still has low entropy. Finally, Sean Carroll's article provides more information on the topic.
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First I don't understand that what is order and disorder, as said that thermal equilibrium is disorder, but for equilibrium there is only one state, but 1st law of themodynamics says that a state with larger no. of microstate is much probable than one with less no. So equilibrium can be only in one way, so should not it be order.
Now big bang is said to be most ordered state, as chaos started after it, but if it was ordered what the 2.73 K microwave background? This is same everywhere so there must be equilibrium, so we must be in state of disorder. Also, to measure chaos, we need two different states to compare, means we need "time" for chaos to be meaningful. Does this means chaos is property of time? And as time started at big bang so rather say chaos is property of big bang?
 
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First I don't understand that what is order and disorder, as said that thermal equilibrium is disorder, but for equilibrium there is only one state, but 1st law of themodynamics says that a state with larger no. of microstate is much probable than one with less no. So equilibrium can be only in one way, so should not it be order.
Now big bang is said to be most ordered state, as chaos started after it, but if it was ordered what the 2.73 K microwave background? This is same everywhere so there must be equilibrium, so we must be in state of disorder. Also, to measure chaos, we need two different states to compare, means we need "time" for chaos to be meaningful. Does this means chaos is property of time? And as time started at big bang so rather say chaos is property of big bang?
The reason why this is an issue is that if you look carefully at the way the universe expanded, and just assume the classical big bang for a moment (no inflation), then different parts on the sky that are now at 2.73K were never in causal contact with one another. Having never been in contact, there was no way for the different parts of the sky to come to equilibrium. This is known as the "horizon problem" of the classical big bang theory.

Something, therefore, must have set up our region of the universe at this uniform temperature, as it couldn't have happened within the classical big bang theory. This is one of the problems that cosmic inflation resolves: by proposing a different expansion history at early times, it allows widely-separated parts of the sky to have been in contact with one another, which allows them to come in equilibrium with one another.

But, if you look carefully at inflation, it is still a highly ordered state, one with fantastically low entropy. Anyway, if you want to read more on this, I highly recommend Sean Carroll's take on the subject. Here's a popular article he wrote not too long ago:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-cosmic-origins-of-times-arrow
 

1. What is entropy and how does it relate to the Big Bang theory?

Entropy is a measure of the disorder or randomness in a system. In the context of the Big Bang theory, it is used to describe the level of disorder in the early universe. As the universe expanded and cooled, the level of disorder, or entropy, increased. This is due to the fact that the universe started as a hot, dense, and highly ordered state and gradually became cooler and more disordered as it expanded.

2. How does the concept of entropy help us understand the development of the universe?

The concept of entropy is crucial in understanding the development of the universe. The increase in entropy over time explains the evolution from a highly ordered state to a more disordered state. This process of increasing entropy is known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It also helps to explain the formation of structures, such as galaxies and stars, as well as the ongoing expansion of the universe.

3. Can entropy ever decrease or reverse in the universe?

In general, the entropy of a closed system will always increase over time. However, there are some situations where entropy can decrease or reverse, such as when energy is added to a system or when there is a decrease in the number of possible microstates. These processes are not common in the universe, but they do occur in some specific situations, such as the formation of stars and planets.

4. How does the concept of entropy relate to the arrow of time?

The arrow of time refers to the observation that time has a direction, moving from the past to the future. The concept of entropy is closely related to the arrow of time, as it explains why we see a progression from a more ordered to a more disordered state over time. This also helps to explain why we perceive time as moving in one direction, rather than being reversible.

5. Is there a link between entropy and the fate of the universe?

There is a possible link between entropy and the fate of the universe, known as the "heat death" or "Big Freeze" scenario. In this scenario, the universe continues to expand and the amount of disorder (entropy) increases until all energy is evenly distributed and no further work can be done. This would result in a universe filled with evenly dispersed particles and a lack of any organized structures. However, the ultimate fate of the universe is still a topic of debate among scientists and there are other possible outcomes that are being explored.

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