Calculating the Potential of Tidal Force: A Mathematical Explanation

In summary, the conversation discusses the potential and force of the tidal force, which can be expressed as a negative gradient of the potential. It is explained that taking the gradient of a potential and getting a specific force is a fact of calculus and an observation about the specific force being conservative. The process of finding the potential from the given force is also explained, involving integration with respect to each variable and a constant of integration.
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Dustinsfl
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Given the tidal force
$$
-\alpha\left(\frac{\hat{\mathbf{d}}}{d^2}-\frac{\hat{\mathbf{d}}_0}{d_0^2}\right)
$$
How is the potential of the tidal force
$$
-\alpha\left(\frac{1}{d}+\frac{x}{d_0^2}\right)
$$
where ##-\nabla U_{tide} = \mathbf{F}_{tide}##.

Idon't see how we get the force by taking the negative of the gradient of U.
 
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The getting of a force by taking the negative gradient of a potential is the definition of the potential, we can't express any force this way but when we can we can by assumption and by definition. If you can take the gradient of some potential and get a specific force then that is a fact of the calculus and an observation about the specific force (that it is a conservative force). If you cannot (testable by seeing if the force has non-zero curl) then that is another possibility.

In general you take a given expression for a force, test for whether it is conservative (= curl free = can be expressed as a gradient) and if so you integrate the gradient relationship to find the potential the same as you integrate any derivative/differential equations. I'm not clear what you question actually is. Are you unclear as to the calculus steps? or unclear as to the physics of why its possible? i think I addressed the latter. If your assignment was to "do the math" then follow those instructions. If you are asking for math help then follow the guidelines (see link in my signature) and show what you've done so far and where you're getting stuck.
 
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I don't see how they arrived to that result mathematically.
 
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How do we even show the curl is zero?

##\hat{\mathbf{d}} =\langle \hat{\mathbf{x}},\hat{\mathbf{y}}, \hat{\mathbf{z}}\rangle## and ##\hat{\mathbf{d}}_0 =\langle \hat{\mathbf{x}}_0, \hat{\mathbf{y}}_0, \hat{\mathbf{z}}_0\rangle##

so ##d^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2## and ##d_0^2 = x_0^2 + y_0^2 + z_0^2##
 
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Dustinsfl said:
I don't see how they arrived to that result mathematically.

I'm not clear on which "result". How they took the gradient to confirm the potential functions gradient is the force in question? Or how to start with the force and find the potential to which it is a gradient?

I can explain either or both but not if you aren't up to speed on the basic calculus. The gradient is the gradient. You should know how to calculate it. The reverse process is a matter of starting with one component and integrating with respect to one variable treating others as constants. When you get a solution you have a "constant" of integration which may depend on the remaining variables. you repeat this for each variable in turn until you have the full potential. (That's an overview and I'd be happy to work through an example.)
 

What is the potential of a tidal force?

The potential of a tidal force is the amount of energy that a tidal force possesses. It is the difference between the high and low tide levels at a certain location, and is dependent on various factors such as the gravitational pull of the moon and sun, the shape of the coastline, and the depth of the ocean.

How does the potential of a tidal force affect tides?

The potential of a tidal force directly impacts the height and timing of tides. When the potential is high, the difference between high and low tide levels is greater and the tides occur at a faster rate. Conversely, when the potential is low, the difference and timing of tides are smaller.

What are the implications of the potential of a tidal force?

The potential of a tidal force has significant implications for marine life, coastal ecosystems, and human activities such as fishing, shipping, and recreation. It can also be harnessed to generate renewable energy through tidal power.

How is the potential of a tidal force measured?

The potential of a tidal force is typically measured using a tide gauge, which records the water level at a specific location over time. This data is then used to calculate the potential and predict future tides.

Can the potential of a tidal force change over time?

Yes, the potential of a tidal force can vary over time due to factors such as changes in the Earth's rotation, the moon's orbit, and sea level rise. It is also affected by natural phenomena such as storms and tectonic activity.

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