Understanding Thermodynamic Potentials: Homogeneous vs. Heterogeneous Systems

In summary, the conversation discusses the differentials of thermodynamic potentials and their applications in single and multiple subsystem systems. It also delves into the concept of inequalities and their connection to irreversible processes. The relationship between minimum values of potentials and equilibrium states is also explored. However, it is argued that the statement about minimum values and equilibrium states is not entirely accurate.
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I have some questions about thermodynamic potentials (internal energy U, enthalpy H, Helmholz free energy F, Gibbs free energy G):

1. The differentials of potentials:

dU<=TdS-pdV
dH<=TdS+Vdp
dF<=-SdT-pdV
dH<=-SdT+Vdp

Do this equations apply only for a single homogeneous system or can they be used for a system composed of several different subsystems?

Example: Let's have N subsystems, each respecting the equation
dUi<=TidSi-pidVi

Considering
U=[tex]\sum[/tex]Ui
S=[tex]\sum[/tex]Si
V=[tex]\sum[/tex]Vi,

does it always follow that dU<=TdS-pdV? I think I can prove this if all pressures and
temperatures are equal. Can this equation also be used if pressures and temperatures of subsystems are not equal? In this case, should we use the outside temperature and pressure for the equation corresponding to the whole system? Can similar generalization be used for other potentials?

2. In which cases the can we get inequalities like dU<TdS-pdV? Do inequalites have
anything to do with irreversible processes (how do we explain the connection)? Also can we get inequalites if we only have one homogeneous system (I suppose not, since the state of such system is completely determined by two thermodynamic variables)?

3. What are the relations between minimum values of potentials and equilibrium states?
Can we determine equilibrium states by minimizing potentals?

Example:
dF<=-SdT-pdV
If T and V are constant, then
dF<0
I think this means that F can no longer change once it reaches its minimum, so its minimum is an equilibrium state. But it does not seem obvious that this is the only possible equilibrium state.
 
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None of these relationships are correct with the less than sign present. They are all equalities. Is there a reference that says that they are not.
 

1. What are thermodynamic potentials?

Thermodynamic potentials are mathematical functions that describe the state of a thermodynamic system in terms of its thermodynamic variables, such as temperature, pressure, and volume.

2. What is the purpose of using thermodynamic potentials?

The purpose of using thermodynamic potentials is to simplify the description and analysis of complex thermodynamic systems by reducing the number of independent variables needed to describe them.

3. How many thermodynamic potentials are there?

There are four commonly used thermodynamic potentials: internal energy (U), enthalpy (H), Helmholtz free energy (F), and Gibbs free energy (G).

4. What is the difference between the various thermodynamic potentials?

The different thermodynamic potentials represent different combinations of thermodynamic variables and have different physical interpretations. For example, the internal energy (U) represents the total energy of a system, while the Helmholtz free energy (F) represents the maximum amount of work that can be extracted from a system at constant temperature and volume.

5. How are thermodynamic potentials used in practical applications?

Thermodynamic potentials are used in various fields, such as chemical engineering and materials science, to predict and analyze the behavior of thermodynamic systems. They are also used in the design and optimization of industrial processes and systems.

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