Can the volume of primitive unit cell and unit cell be different?

by ovais
Tags: cell, premitive, primitive, unit, volume
 P: 144 Hi all, I read The unit cell is the smallest structure that repeats itself by translation through the crystal. Some says premitive unit cells contains atoms only at the corners while a unit cell may contain extra atoms in between(like bcc or fcc). At one place I found this: For each crystal structure there is a conventional unit cell, which is the smallest unit that has the full symmetry of the crystal (see below). However, the conventional unit cell is not always the smallest possible choice. A primitive unit cell of a particular crystal structure is the smallest possible unit cell one can construct such that, when tiled, it completely fills space. This primitive unit cell does not, however, display all the symmetries inherent in the crystal. A Wigner-Seitz cell is a particular kind of primitive cell which has the same symmetry as the lattice. I am confused what does they mean by premitive unit cell and unit cell. If the only difference between them is of the extra atoms. Then for a given crystal the volume of a premitive unit cell and a unit cell must be same. Or there be anything smaller than unit cell, but above what if found says "However, the convention unit cell is not always the smallest possible choice."Please explain. Also at many place people say a premitive unit cell contains only one lattice point. I am unable to comprehend this because of a fact for example I know in simple cubic 8 lattice points(not one) occupied by 8 atoms. Any help will be highly appreciated.
 P: 98 The "primitive unit cell" is the one that allows you to reproduce the whole crystal structure, given you know the space group and the atomic positions of the different types of atoms, while if you have the "unit cell" you donīt need any additional information to reproduce the crystal structure. Example: The chemical formula of the mineral baddeleyite is ZrO2. The primitive cell consists of 3 atoms: Atom x y z Zr 0.27580 0.04110 0.20820 O 0.07030 0.33590 0.34060 O' 0.44230 0.75490 0.47890 Note that there are two crystallografical types of oxygen, although chemically it is the same element. If you want to obtain the complete structure of the crystal you just need to know its symmetry type, defined by the space group. In this case it is P21/c (number 17). Knowing this symmetry, the positions of all atoms within the unit cell can be determined by symmetrical operations defined by so called Wyckoff symbols (see e.g. http://www.cryst.ehu.es/cgi-bin/crys...ble?from=getwp). The unit cell itself consists of 4 formula units, i.e. 4 Zr atoms and 8 O atoms, see e.g. http://webmineral.com/data/Baddeleyi...l#.UvqUavlkiSo Hope this helps.
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Thanks Alkim what you said helped me, kindly let me confirm that I got it correctly by commenting on my conclusion- " The (space each type of cell occupies) volume of primitive unit cell and unit cell is the same."

 Quote by Alkim The "primitive unit cell" is the one that allows you to reproduce the whole crystal structure, given you know the space group and the atomic positions of the different types of atoms, while if you have the "unit cell" you donīt need any additional information to reproduce the crystal structure. ......... ......................... Hope this helps.
I will also like to the meaning of this:

 Quote by ovais Also at many place people say a premitive unit cell contains only one lattice point. I am unable to comprehend this because of a fact for example I know in simple cubic 8 lattice points(not one) occupied by 8 atoms. Any help will be highly appreciated.

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Can the volume of primitive unit cell and unit cell be different?

Excuse me, I think I just confused you more. I think this should solve your doubts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravais_lattice

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