Vanishing surface charge density on current-carrying wire?

In summary, the paper by Coombes and Laue discusses the surface charge density on a long, straight, cylindrical current-carrying wire. They provide an expression for the surface charge density as a function of the interior electric field and wire radius, assuming the wire occupies the interval [-L,L] on the z axis and has a net charge of zero. The expression is valid for z << L and approaches zero as L grows to infinity. However, the author argues that this conclusion is questionable and that the surface charge density does not actually approach zero as L grows. They suggest that a more accurate calculation would be to consider a finite cylinder in a uniform electric field and that the surface charge density is related to the Poynting flow
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In a paper by Coombes and Laue (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...sig=AHIEtbQDQ3xeLo4PPx99CKlE3P6i4YWybw&pli=1") an expression, labelled (8), for the surface charge density cz/R on a long, straight, cylindrical current-carrying wire is given as

[tex]cz/R = (-E\epsilon_0 / (R\ln{(L/R)}))z[/tex]

R i the radius, assumed to be << L.
E is the interior (longitudinal) electric field, driving the current.

The wire occupies the interval [-L,L] on the z axis, and the net charge is assumed to be zero. The surface charge density is a linear function of z, and for a given interior field E and radius R, the slope of the function depends inversely on ln(L/R), i.e. the slope gets weaker for larger L.

The expression is valid for z << L, i.e. the mid section of the wire.

In the paper it's pointed out that

"As L --> infinity, this surface charge density goes to zero at any given point z."

but then comes the interesting part, where it's stated that

"... an infinitely long wire in which a steady current is flowing has a vanishing surface charge density (8) and a uniform electric field both inside and outside the wire. It is particularly noteworthy that as L --> infinity the electric field outside the wire has a vanishing component normal to the wire."

something I find questionable.

The expression (8) is only assumed valid for z << L, so let's confine the argument to, say, the mid 1% of the wire and ignore the rest:

Now, no matter how big you choose L, you won't get a vanishing surface charge density on the mid section (which will always be 1/100 of the total length, i.e. it too will grow as L grows).

In other words, even if you have a pointwise convergence to zero as L grows to infinity, I wouldn't agree that the surface charge density on the wire goes to zero as L grows to infinity. No numerical value of L, no matter how large, will make the surface charge density function arbitrarily small on even the mid one percent of the wire. Quite the contrary, the maximum surface charge density on the (growing) mid 1 percent will go to infinity as L goes to infinity, so you shouldn't say that the surface charge density on the wire goes to zero. This isn't a case of uniform convergence to the zero function, only of pointwise convergence.

According to a critical comment on the paper (included in the link) the result of the paper can also be found in A. Sommerfeld's Electrodynamics (Academic, New York, 1952) which is described as "one of the classic treaties of the literature on electromagnetism." Nevertheless I think it's wrong, and that it's an obvious mistake to rely on pointwise convergence in this case. Any thoughts? Am I wrong?
 
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I didn't want to make the first post too long, so here are a few more thoughts on the issue:

The right way to calculate the surface charge density on a long, straight current-carrying wire (ignoring effects from charge distributions on other parts of the circuit) would be to calculate the surface charge density on a long (but finite) cylinder placed in a uniform electric field, with the cylinder's main axis along the direction of the field. If a conductor is placed in a uniform electric field, the induced surface charge will create a uniform interior field that inside the conductor exactly cancels the external field. For the cylinder that means that the surface charge will create exactly the kind of interior electric field that would drive a current through the cylinder.

Such calculations are difficult though, and the assumption that the surface charge density varies linearly along the cylinder turns out to create the uniform internal field you'd expect to drive the current through the wire, at least some distance from the endpoints.

That's what is done in the Coombes & Laue paper. They start with the assumption that the surface charge density varies linearly along the wire, and calculate the linear coefficient as a function of the interior field E and the radius R of the wire. Hopefully this gives a decent estimate of the surface charge density for |z| << L.

As has been said, the slope of the linear function describing the surface charge density gets weaker for larger values of L, so there'll be an increasing interval around the middle having a surface charge smaller than a certain value, but even if the absolute size of the interval grows, it'll constitute an increasingly smaller fraction of the wire. Because of that I think it's wrong to draw the conclusion that the surface charge density on the wire goes to zero as L goes to infinity.

The surface charge density is directly related to the outer radial electric field, so the surface charge density will also be related to the size and direction of the Poynting flow just outside the wire.

If it is as is concluded in the paper that the wire's surface charge density vanishes when L grows, then the Poynting flow just outside will be purely radial and directed towards the wire. If, on the other hand, there is a non-vanishing surface charge density, the Poynting flow near the wire will be larger and have a component parallel to the wire, at least almost everywhere along the wire.
 
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1. What is surface charge density?

Surface charge density refers to the amount of electric charge per unit area on the surface of a material. It is typically measured in units of coulombs per square meter (C/m2).

2. Why does the surface charge density on a current-carrying wire vanish?

The surface charge density on a current-carrying wire vanishes because the electric charges on the surface are constantly moving due to the flow of current. This movement causes the charges to spread out and become evenly distributed, resulting in a net charge of zero on the surface.

3. How does the surface charge density affect the behavior of a current-carrying wire?

The surface charge density plays a crucial role in determining the electric field around a current-carrying wire. As the charges on the surface move, they create an electric field that can influence the behavior of nearby objects or particles.

4. Can the surface charge density on a current-carrying wire be manipulated?

Yes, the surface charge density on a current-carrying wire can be manipulated by changing the amount of current flowing through the wire or by introducing external electric fields. This can be useful in controlling the behavior of the wire in certain applications.

5. Is there a maximum surface charge density on a current-carrying wire?

No, there is no maximum surface charge density on a current-carrying wire. The amount of surface charge density depends on the amount of current flowing through the wire and the material properties of the wire. However, in practical applications, there may be limits to the amount of surface charge density that can be safely handled without causing damage to the wire or surrounding objects.

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