Negative Numbers and Logarithms: Is it really wrong?

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of negative numbers as the base in logarithmic expressions. It is stated that while it is possible to represent all positive numbers as powers of a chosen base, this is not possible with negative numbers as the base. Therefore, for simplicity, it is commonly accepted that negative numbers cannot be used as the base in logarithms.
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I know that in logarithms we can not set as base a negative number,but look at this(in the brackets I will put the base.): log(-2)-8=3 Mathematics say that is wrong,but why?
If we tell -2^3=-8 we have a correct result.
So? Thank you!
 
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That is certainly true.

But:
You'll only be able to find such matches for some INTEGER values.

With any positive number distinct from 1 as chosen as base, we can, with the associated logarithm function represent EVERY positive number as a power of our base.

Having a negative number as your base, however, you cannot gain this type of general usage, that is, a continuous logarithm function covering, say, all the negative numbers is impossible to construct.
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Thus, for simplicity, we say that you can't have a negative number as your base.
 
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That was very clear answer. I hope to be many other guys like you in this forum
 
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You are welcome! There are many such guys here. :smile:
 
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I can understand the confusion around using negative numbers in logarithms. However, it is important to note that the rules and principles of mathematics are based on logical and consistent reasoning. In the case of logarithms, the base must always be a positive number because the concept of logarithms is based on the idea of repeated multiplication. When we take the logarithm of a number, we are essentially asking "what power do I need to raise the base to in order to get this number?" This concept only makes sense when the base is positive, as negative numbers do not have a defined root or power.

While it may seem like using -2^3= -8 follows the same logic as log(-2)-8=3, it is important to understand the fundamental differences between these operations. When we take the logarithm of a number, we are finding the exponent that would give us that number when raised to the base. In the case of -2^3, we are performing the operation of exponentiation, not taking the logarithm. Therefore, the rules and principles for logarithms do not apply in this situation.

In conclusion, it is not "wrong" to use negative numbers in mathematics, but it is important to understand the principles and rules that govern each operation. In the case of logarithms, the base must always be positive in order for the concept to make sense and be consistent with the principles of mathematics.
 

1. What are negative numbers and why are they important?

Negative numbers are numbers that are less than zero. They are important because they allow us to represent values that are smaller than zero, such as temperatures below freezing or debt. They also play a crucial role in mathematical operations and equations.

2. How do negative numbers behave in mathematical operations?

Negative numbers behave in the same way as positive numbers in addition and multiplication. However, in subtraction and division, the order of the numbers is important. For example, subtracting a negative number is equivalent to adding a positive number. Similarly, dividing by a negative number is equivalent to multiplying by its reciprocal.

3. Can a negative number have a logarithm?

Yes, a negative number can have a logarithm. However, the logarithm of a negative number is not a real number. This is because the logarithm function is only defined for positive numbers. For a negative number, the logarithm is a complex number with a real part and an imaginary part.

4. What are the properties of logarithms?

The properties of logarithms include the power property, product property, quotient property, and change of base property. These properties allow us to simplify and manipulate logarithmic expressions in order to solve equations and problems. They also play a crucial role in applications of logarithms, such as in exponential growth and decay.

5. Is it wrong to use negative numbers and logarithms in real-world situations?

No, it is not wrong to use negative numbers and logarithms in real-world situations. In fact, they are often necessary for accurately representing and solving problems involving quantities that can be negative. However, it is important to understand the properties and limitations of negative numbers and logarithms in order to use them correctly and avoid errors.

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