The scale of the action integral?

In summary, the Euler-Lagrange equation is independent of the scale of the Lagrangian, meaning that multiplying the Lagrangian by any constant will result in the same equation of motion. However, in the case of a system with multiple actions, the relative scale of the actions plays a role. The determination of the scale constant, k, is not purely empirical and can depend on the system being considered. In some cases, the constants in the action can be derived from an underlying microscopic theory.
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Since the Euler-Lagrange equation is homogeneous, the equation of motion of a system of particles or a field is independent of the scale of the Lagrangian. That is, we can multiply the Lagrangian by any constant and arrive at the same equation of motion.

But does the scale of Lagrangian or the action integral ever have any absolute meaning?

Suppose we have two fields A and B with respective free field action integrals S_A and S_B. The action for the full system would be of the form S_A + S_B + S_interaction. But how do I know this is correct? Since kS_B, where k is a constant, is an equivalent free-field action for field B, the correct full action might be S_A + kS_B + S_interaction.

Is the determination of k a purely empirical question? Or are there theoretical considerations which could narrow the possible values of k?
 
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I think that you already answered to your first question (i.e. does the scale of the Lagrangian have any absolute meaning) in you next paragraph. That is, the scale indeed plays a role if we have a situation where the total action is sum of two or more actions. But even in that case, what matters is the relative scale of the actions since we can always scale the total action with an arbitrary constant.

To your second question, I think it depends on the system you are considering. For example in QED the scales are set by fundamental constants such as the unit charge, which cannot (at least to current knowledge) be derived from elsewhere. On the other hand, there are effective theories (especially in condensed matter physics) where the constants in the action can sometimes be derived using an underlying microscopic theory.
 
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Thanks, Echows.
 

1. What is the action integral and why is it important in science?

The action integral is a fundamental concept in physics and mathematics that represents the total amount of action or energy in a physical system. It is important because it allows us to determine the laws of motion and predict the behavior of a system over time.

2. How is the action integral calculated?

The action integral is calculated by integrating the Lagrangian function, which represents the difference between the kinetic energy and potential energy of a system, over a specific time interval. This integral is often denoted as S and has units of energy multiplied by time.

3. What is the relationship between the scale of the action integral and the behavior of a system?

The scale of the action integral is directly related to the behavior of a physical system. A small action integral indicates that the system will follow a smooth and predictable path, while a large action integral suggests that the system will exhibit chaotic or unpredictable behavior.

4. How does the scale of the action integral relate to quantum mechanics?

In quantum mechanics, the action integral is used to calculate the probability of a particle's position or motion. The scale of the action integral in this context determines the likelihood of a certain outcome and helps us understand the behavior of subatomic particles.

5. Can the scale of the action integral be changed or manipulated?

The scale of the action integral is determined by the physical properties and initial conditions of a system and cannot be changed or manipulated directly. However, by altering these properties or conditions, such as changing the mass or velocity of a particle, the scale of the action integral can be indirectly influenced.

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