Determining the Identity of an Unknown Metal Salt Containing Bromide Ion

In summary, the conversation involves a problem with finding the weight percent bromide in a metal salt, using a sample of .500g and excess silver nitrate solution. After some calculations, the answer is determined to be 48.0% Br. Another sample of the same metal salt is then dehydrated and found to weigh 0.325g, leading to a weight percent of 35.0% H_2O. However, when trying to determine the atomic weight and identity of the metal, there is a mistake in the calculations due to rounding errors. The correct answer should have been 0.00324 mol Br and 0.002 moles M, which leads to an atomic weight of 34.6
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SyntheticVisions
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Nevermind, I found my mistake..





I've been trying to figure this problem out for some time now, and I can't seem to get it right:

You are given an unknown hydrated metal salt containing bromide ion, [tex]MBr_2 \bullet nH_2O[/tex] (M and n being variables).

You dissolve 0.500g of this salt in water and add excess silver nitrate solution, [tex]AgNO_3[/tex], to precipitate the bromide ion as insoluble silver bromide, [tex]AgBr[/tex]. After filtering, washing, drying, and weighing, the [tex]AgBr[/tex] is found to weigh .609g. What is the weight percent bromide in this metal salt?

I tried doing the following:

.609g AgBr / 187.77amu AgBr = .003 mol Br
(.003 mol)(79.90 amu Br) = .240g Br
.240 g / .500 g =

And got:

48.0% [tex]Br[/tex]

The question goes on to say:

A second 0.500g sample is dehydrated to remove water of hydration. After drying, the sample is found to weigh 0.325g. What is the weight percent in the metal salt?

I did the following:

(.500g - .325g) / .500 g =

And got:

35.0% [tex]H_2O[/tex]

And then it says:

The metal cation has a valence of two. What is the atomic weight of the metal? What is the identity of the metal?

I did this:

17% Metal

Mole ratio of M to Br is 1:2 so:

moles M = x
(.003 mol Br)

2x = .003
x = .002 moles M

AW Metal = x

.002 mol M = 17g / x
.002x = 17
x = 8500

See there is where it all blows up in my face. Came up with an atomic weight for the metal of 8500. Can someone tell me where I went wrong?
 
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Glad to hear you got it figured out. Too bad you didn't post your corrected work so others could learn from it.
 
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SyntheticVisions said:
.609g AgBr / 187.77amu AgBr = .003 mol Br
(.003 mol)(79.90 amu Br) = .240g Br
.240 g / .500 g =

And got:

48.0% Br

Nope - don't round intermediate results that you use for further calculations. 0.003 and 0.00324 (which has a correct number of significant digits) differ by over 7%.

SyntheticVisions said:
17% Metal

As 48% was wrong this is wrong too.

SyntheticVisions said:
Mole ratio of M to Br is 1:2 so:

moles M = x
(.003 mol Br)

2x = .003
x = .002 moles M

0.003 was wrong, 0.002 is not much better.

SyntheticVisions said:
.002 mol M = 17g / x

17g and 17% are not the same thing, you meant 17% of 0.500 grams (initial mass sample). That was a good thinking, but even after using 17% of 0.500g as a metal mass you won't get the right answer, as both 0.002 moles and 17% are wrong due to the rounding errors.

Note, that while finding the identity of the metal is possible (Ca), the hydrate is not stoichiometric - there is no integer n which produces results described in the question. It is not a hydrate, more like just a wet salt. Quite wet.
 

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3. What methods are used to determine the composition of unknown metals?

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