Capacitance and distance between plates

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving capacitance and work. It is determined that the correct formula for work in a capacitor is W = .5 CV^2. There is also discussion about the relationship between capacitance and work, and the use of the energy equation for a capacitor. The conversation ends with the suggestion to use the X2 tag and an explanation of how to obtain the result for energy using the formula .5 Q2/C.
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soopo
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Homework Statement


The question is at
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Homework Equations


Q = CV
C = [tex] \epsilon_{0} A / d [/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



The right solution is Q^2 / C that is (h).

I know that C is proportional to the inverse of the distance between plates.
Thus, I suggests that the capacitance should one third of the original value.

The other problem is to have a relation between capacitance and work.
I know W=Fd, where we get a relation to capacitance by d.
This suggests me that the work should one third of the work done with the initial distance between plates in the capacitor.

How would you solve the problem.
 
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Hi soopo! :smile:
soopo said:
I know that C is proportional to the inverse of the distance between plates.
Thus, I suggests that the capacitance should one third of the original value.

Yes, that's right! :smile:
The other problem is to have a relation between capacitance and work.
I know W=Fd …

You're making it very complicated :redface:

work done is energy …

the https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=75" getting from one state to another is the difference in energy between them (in a conservative system)

So, although, as you say, work done = ∫force.distance (= ∫charge.voltage), it's much easier to use the standard energy equation for a https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=112", which is … ? :smile:
 
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tiny-tim said:
Hi soopo! :smile:Yes, that's right! :smile:You're making it very complicated :redface:

work done is energy …

the https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=75" getting from one state to another is the difference in energy between them (in a conservative system)

So, although, as you say, work done = ∫force.distance (= ∫charge.voltage), it's much easier to use the standard energy equation for a https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=112", which is … ? :smile:

The equation seems to be

W = .5 CV^2

It seems to be obtained by integrating CV with respect to V.
The problem is now to know the upper and lower bounds for the voltage in the integral.
I suggest that the upper one is infinity and the lower one is zero.

If the formula is right, then
V^2 = 2Q / C

However, I cannot see how to get the result.
This suggests me that the equation for the work done in the capacitor is not correct.
 
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Hi soopo! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
soopo said:
The equation seems to be

W = .5 CV^2

It seems to be obtained by integrating CV with respect to V.

(whyever are you using W for energy? :confused:)

No, it's obtained either by integrating ∫(1/2)QEdx or ∫QVdQ … see the PF Library on https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=112"

Anyway, since Q = CV, the energy can also be written .5 Q2/C, which should give you the result almost immediately. :wink:
 
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tiny-tim said:
Hi soopo! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


(whyever are you using W for energy? :confused:)

No, it's obtained either by integrating ∫(1/2)QEdx or ∫QVdQ … see the PF Library on https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=112"

Anyway, since Q = CV, the energy can also be written .5 Q2/C, which should give you the result almost immediately. :wink:

Thank you for your answers!
 
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1. What is capacitance?

Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electrical charge. It is measured in farads (F) and is determined by the physical characteristics of the system, such as the distance between plates and the material used.

2. How does distance between plates affect capacitance?

The distance between plates has a direct impact on the capacitance of a system. As the distance between plates increases, the capacitance decreases. This is because a larger distance means a smaller electric field and therefore less charge can be stored.

3. How is capacitance calculated?

The capacitance of a system can be calculated using the formula C = εA/d, where C is capacitance, ε is the permittivity of the material between the plates, A is the area of the plates, and d is the distance between plates.

4. What happens to capacitance if the area of the plates is increased?

If the area of the plates is increased, the capacitance of the system also increases. This is because a larger area means a larger surface for the electric field to act on, resulting in a larger amount of charge that can be stored.

5. How does the material between the plates affect capacitance?

The material between the plates, also known as the dielectric material, plays a significant role in determining the capacitance of a system. Different materials have different permittivity values, which can affect the strength of the electric field and therefore the amount of charge that can be stored. A higher permittivity material will result in a higher capacitance, while a lower permittivity material will result in a lower capacitance.

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