A fairly easy vector calculus identity question?

In summary, the conversation discusses simplifying the term \vec{v}\cdot (\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )\vec{v} in the context of fluid velocity. The operator between the brackets is a differential operator and the end result is a scalar. One person suggests using Einstein's tensor notation, while another suggests rewriting it as \frac{1}{2}(\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )v^2. The simplicity of this rewrite is debated.
  • #1
quarky2001
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I'm working on simplifying a big physical expression (I don't like the Navier-Stokes equations at all anymore), and I'm curious how to simplify the following term:

[tex]

\vec{v}\cdot (\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )\vec{v}

[/tex]

where v is a fluid velocity - i.e. definitely spatially varying.

I'm just not sure about the order of operations here.
 
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  • #2
The operator between the brackets is a differential operator which acts to the right

[tex] \vec{v}\cdot\nabla = v_i \partial _i [/tex]

So your whole expression is nothing but

[tex] v_j v_i\partial_i v_j [/tex]

a scalar.
 
  • #3
Sorry - I'm not sure what you mean by that subscript notation.

I know v dotted with nabla is an operator on the v on the far right, and I know the result will be a scalar. I just don't know how I could re-write that expression in a simpler fashion.
 
  • #4
Well, it's the handy tensor notation using Einstein's summing notation. Nothing more.

You can't write that in a simpler fashion, unless v is subject to some conditions (divergence-less for example).
 
  • #5
Actually, I finally did manage to rewrite it. (although I'm not familiar with Einstein's tensor notation)

Assuming my math is correct, the following equality should hold:

[tex]

\vec{v}\cdot (\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )\vec{v} = \frac{1}{2}(\vec{v}\cdot\nabla )v^2

[/tex]
 
  • #6
Sure, you're right. But is that really simpler ? I can say it's shorter, it takes less space on a piece of paper.
 

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