Understanding Comoving Hubble Radius

In summary, the "comoving Hubble radius" is the distance over which particles can travel in the course of one expansion time, roughly the time in which the scale factor doubles. It is equal to (in c = 1 units): (aH)-1. If particles are separated by distances larger than the Hubble radius, then they cannot currently communicate.
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I know this is dumb, but I'm just not getting any sort of intuition for what the "comoving Hubble radius" is. I have the definition in front of me in a book which says that it is equal to (in c = 1 units):

(aH)-1

With a being the scale factor and H the Hubble parameter. So basically, it must be equal to dt/da. Later on, there is a statement that it is the "distance over which particles can travel in the course of one expansion time i.e. roughly the time in which the scale factor doubles." I'm not seeing how that follows from the definition. Later still, the book states: "...if [particles] are separated by distances larger than the Hubble radius, then they cannot currently communicate." I'm not seeing how this statement follows from the previous one. I'm not sure if I even understand what "currently communicate" means since communication can't happen instantaneously anyway.

The book is careful to make a distinction between this and the comoving horizon scale, which I understand perfectly well. If particles are separated by a comoving distance greater than the comoving horizon scale, then they could never have communicated in the history of the universe, since it represents the largest distance over which information can have propagated at any time.
 
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cepheid said:
I know this is dumb, but I'm just not getting any sort of intuition for what the "comoving Hubble radius" is. I have the definition in front of me in a book

The book in front of you (which is also in front of me) is not very pedagogical. For a nice discussion of cosmological horizons (with different notation), see section 15.12 from General Relativity: An Introduction for Physicists by Hobson, Efstathiou, and Lasenby. You might be able to read this section from Google Books.
cepheid said:
which says that it is equal to (in c = 1 units):

(aH)-1

With a being the scale factor and H the Hubble parameter. So basically, it must be equal to dt/da. Later on, there is a statement that it is the "distance over which particles can travel in the course of one expansion time i.e. roughly the time in which the scale factor doubles." I'm not seeing how that follows from the definition.

"one expansion time" suggests exponential growth, so take [itex]H[/itex] constant and

[tex] a \left(t \right) = a_0 e^{Ht}.[/tex]

The metric restricted to constant angular part (i.e., [itex]d \Omega^2 = 0[/itex]) is given by

[tex]ds^2 = dt^2 - a\left(t\right)^2 d \chi^{2},[/tex]

where [itex]\chi[/itex] is comoving distance.

On a photon's worldline, [itex]ds^2 = 0[/itex], and

[tex]d \chi = \frac{dt}{a\left(t\right)}[/tex]

Suppose a photon is emitted at time [itex]t_e[/itex] and received at time [itex]t[/itex]. The comoving distance traveled by the photon is

[tex]\chi = \int^t_{t_e} \frac{dt'}{a\left(t'\right)} = \int^a_{a_e} \frac{da'}{a' \dot{a}'}
[/tex]

This is a general expression. What to you get for exponential growth with with the scale factor at reception bigger by a factor of [itex]e[/itex] than the scale factor at emission?
cepheid said:
Later still, the book states: "...if [particles] are separated by distances larger than the Hubble radius, then they cannot currently communicate." I'm not seeing how this statement follows from the previous one. I'm not sure if I even understand what "currently communicate" means since communication can't happen instantaneously anyway.

I don't like the way this is written. Proper distance is given by [itex]d = a \chi[/itex], and for a galaxy with no peculiar velocity, proper recession velocity is

[tex]\dot{d} = \dot{a} \chi.[/tex]

Thus, proper recession velocity is the speed of light at the comoving Hubble radius.
 
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I appreciate the helpful response, and I want to look into this, I'm just bogged down with some other work right now. I'll post a proper response once I've had a chance to look at that other reference (it'll be a few days).
 

What is the Comoving Hubble Radius?

The Comoving Hubble Radius is a measure of the distance between two points in the universe that are moving away from each other due to the expansion of the universe. It takes into account the expansion of space over time and is used in cosmology to understand the large-scale structure of the universe.

How is the Comoving Hubble Radius different from the Hubble Constant?

The Hubble Constant measures the rate of expansion of the universe, while the Comoving Hubble Radius takes into account the expansion of space itself. The Hubble Constant is a constant value, while the Comoving Hubble Radius changes as the universe expands.

Why is it important to understand the Comoving Hubble Radius?

Understanding the Comoving Hubble Radius is crucial for studying the large-scale structure of the universe and how it has evolved over time. It helps us understand the expansion of the universe and how galaxies and other structures are moving away from each other.

How is the Comoving Hubble Radius calculated?

The Comoving Hubble Radius is calculated by dividing the speed of light by the Hubble Constant. The resulting value is multiplied by the age of the universe to account for the expansion of space over time.

Can the Comoving Hubble Radius be measured?

Yes, the Comoving Hubble Radius can be measured using various techniques such as redshift measurements of galaxies and the cosmic microwave background radiation. These measurements can help us understand the expansion rate of the universe and the distance between galaxies.

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