# Newton's derivation of Kepler's laws

by inkyvoyd
Tags: derivation, kepler, laws, newton
 P: 2 Introduction This is not a homework or coursework question (if it were it would be of the project type), and I am looking for hints not spoilers. Hi, I recently passed by kepler's laws again in a science class (this time earth science), and am concurrently taking calculus in my math class. I realized that my current knowledge of calculus should let me be able to re-find kepler's laws (or show equivalence to newton's laws) - for kepler's first law, I should be able to prove (with newton's second law) that the elliptical orbit described is consistent. For his second law, I should be able to use polar integration to complete the consistency proof. As for the third, I haven't had any ideas, but my problems are really with where to start. 1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data I contacted my math teacher with this question, and we had a short discussion, with my teacher suggesting I get data of planetary locations over time. I searched for these, with no avail (I am not looking for conclusions - which are all I could seemingly find). I'm trying to understand kepler's first law and how it relates to newton's laws - but I do realize some problems. Since initial velocity (and position) must be known in order to determine the elliptical path, one must have these accounted for - and I have no idea how to do that. I need hints, and if possible, data. I do not want a result, or work and a result, because I want to in a sense "repioneer" this - the thinking that is involved with creating an idea previously unknown to one differs from that of learning about an idea. tl;dr:I am trying to reconstruct Newton's derivation of Kepler's laws, and am stuck on how to translate newton's laws into kepler's first law. I need hints, and if possible, data. 2. Relevant equations newton's second law: f=ma newton's gravitational law:f=g(m_1m_2)/(r^2) kepler's 3 laws 3. The attempt at a solution I'm not sure where to start. I know that once I get an idea I will break motion into x and y axis (put in parametric form), and try to convert to polar form as well. I am guessing I will encounter simple differential equations.
 Homework Sci Advisor HW Helper Thanks ∞ P: 9,215 The main problem relating Kepler's first law (elliptical orbits) to Newton's equations is that Kepler's law says nothing about time. You could try: - obtain a differential equation r, theta, t from Newton's laws; - assume the relationship between r and theta implied by Kepler I, and on the basis of that obtain expressions for r and its time derivatives in terms of theta and its time derivatives; - substitute in your ODE to eliminate references to r and show that appropriate assignments of the constants satisfy the equation.
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 Quote by haruspex The main problem relating Kepler's first law (elliptical orbits) to Newton's equations is that Kepler's law says nothing about time. You could try: - obtain a differential equation r, theta, t from Newton's laws; - assume the relationship between r and theta implied by Kepler I, and on the basis of that obtain expressions for r and its time derivatives in terms of theta and its time derivatives; - substitute in your ODE to eliminate references to r and show that appropriate assignments of the constants satisfy the equation.
I see - but since Kepler's second and third laws are about orbital time and velocity, I'm guessing I would have to incorporate all three simultaneously?

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## Newton's derivation of Kepler's laws

F = GMm/r^2 = mv^2/r ...... T = 2 x Pi x r / v and therefor v = 2 x Pi x r / T

sub for v in mv^2/r ( centrepital force ) and simplify to get T^2/r^3 = Constant

which holds for all the planets around the sun. That is Kepler's 3rd law.

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