Question regarding GR and the cylinder condition

In summary, the "cylinder condition" in Kaluza-Klein theory states that the derivatives of the metric with respect to the 5th dimension are chosen to be zero in order to explain why we do not detect the existence of this dimension. However, this raises the question of why we do detect the 3 familiar space dimensions, which also have zero derivatives in Minkowski space. This is because the presence of mass in spacetime causes the metric to deviate from the flat Minkowski one. To understand the 5-D metric proposed by Klein for the unification of electromagnetism and gravity, it is recommended to refer to a review article or other reliable source.
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Question regarding GR and the "cylinder condition"

Im reading that in Kaluza-Klein theory, the derivatives (of the metric [tex] g_{\mu\nu}[/tex] with respect to the 5th dimension, [tex] X^4 [/tex], were chosen to be zero, to explain why we do not "feel", or detect, the existence of [tex] X^4 [/tex] i.e. the Cylinder Condition (a few different sources including http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9805018 page 4, 1st paragraph.
But thinking about minkowski space it seems to me that derivatives of the minkowski metric with respect to all the spatial coordinates [tex] X^1, X^2, X^3 [/tex] are zero, but obviously we do detect [tex] X^1, X^2, X^3 [/tex], thus my confusion.

I realize that zero derivatives implies that the geodesic becomes an equation that describes flat space. But not why it would mean that we don't detect those dimensions.

Thanks.

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How do you detect the 3 familiar space dimensions without any massive particles to do experiments with? If there is mass in your spacetime, the metric will not be the flat Minkowski one.
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
How do you detect the 3 familiar space dimensions without any massive particles to do experiments with? If there is mass in your spacetime, the metric will not be the flat Minkowski one.

Thanks. I need to look further into the 5-D metric proposed by Klein for the unification of EM and gravity and how that worked - any ideas for a good source for that? a review article or something of the sort...

thanks again.
 

What is the "cylinder condition" in General Relativity?

In General Relativity (GR), the cylinder condition is a mathematical condition that applies to the curvature of space-time around an object. It states that the curvature must be zero along a line that extends from the center of the object to infinity. This condition is necessary for the consistency of GR equations.

Why is the cylinder condition important in GR?

The cylinder condition is important because it ensures that the equations of GR are well-behaved and consistent. Without this condition, the curvature of space-time would not be well-defined and could lead to inconsistencies and paradoxes in the theory.

How does the cylinder condition relate to black holes?

In GR, black holes are a consequence of the cylinder condition. When the cylinder condition is satisfied, it means that the curvature of space-time is strong enough to prevent anything, including light, from escaping the object. This is what creates the "event horizon" of a black hole.

Can the cylinder condition be violated?

It is possible for the cylinder condition to be violated in some cases, such as in solutions of GR that involve closed timelike curves. However, these solutions are not physically realistic and are often considered as mathematical curiosities rather than actual physical phenomena.

How does the cylinder condition differ from the "no-hair" theorem?

The cylinder condition and the "no-hair" theorem are two different concepts in GR. The cylinder condition is a mathematical condition that ensures the consistency of GR equations, while the "no-hair" theorem states that black holes have only three measurable properties: mass, charge, and angular momentum. The cylinder condition is a necessary condition for the "no-hair" theorem to hold.

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