Calculating Airplane Lift Energy Requirements

In summary, the conversation discusses the calculation of energy needed to lift an airplane to an altitude of 2000 meters and the resulting power output of 1 megawatt. There is also mention of the work done on the jet and the air, as well as the need for additional information such as drag, climb rate, and mass for a more accurate calculation. It is suggested to use the energy content of the fuel and measure fuel mass flow and exhaust temperature to estimate engine energy usage. The final calculation is based on the mass of the plane, gravity, and height, resulting in a power output of 2 megajoules per second or 2 megawatts. There is also a mention of calculating power for horizontal flight and the
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Im trying to calculate energy of the turbines to lift an airplane , by this way, calculating potential energy necessary to lift mass of the plane to an height of, let's say, 2000 meters , ,supose it spend 1 minute in reach this altitude, it gives me a result of the order of 1 megawatts of power , is this correct?
 
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You'd have to base this on a jet that climbs while hovering, like a Harrier. The time it takes doesn't matter. Work done on the jet is the force times the distance the jet is moved.

Work done on the air is a different matter though. Even in a steady hover, a huge amount of work is done on the air, accelerating it downwards and increasing the total energy of the air, and a huge amount of energy is consumed while hovering, even though there is no work done on the jet itself.
 
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In any case, a megawatt could be a reasonable figure for a real airplane. But you didn't give us much information...
 
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Jeff Reid said:
You'd have to base this on a jet that climbs while hovering, like a Harrier. The time it takes doesn't matter. Work done on the jet is the force times the distance the jet is moved.

Work done on the air is a different matter though. Even in a steady hover, a huge amount of work is done on the air, accelerating it downwards and increasing the total energy of the air, and a huge amount of energy is consumed while hovering, even though there is no work done on the jet itself.

I disagree...well sort of. I believe he is trying to calculate the power required to move a jet forward, not strait up like a harrier. If he was referring to a VTOL then you would be correct. I however will assume that he is talking about a conventionally powered airplane.

In order to even remotely accurately find this required power you need to know the amount of drag on the aircraft and its climb rate and assume the coefficient of lift is enough to reach this climb rate. If you want to know the power for take off you will require the mass of the craft as well.
 
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I would say that if you are interested in energy, you take the energy content of the fuel, which for JET-A is about 18505 BTU/Lbm and measure the fuel mass flow, exhaust temp and inlet temp to get a rough idea of how much energy is being used by the engine and what is being spent out the exhaust duct. You would have to make a swag at the mechanical losses.
 
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my preliminary calculation was, suposing the plane was already in the air, and a watt= 1 joule per second,then you calculate how much falls a mass in 1 second , its aprox 5 m,hence the energy to maintain plane is equal to potential energy to lift to 5 meters, ; supposing the mass of the plane be 40 tons, then take E= m*g*h= 40000k*g*5m = aprox 2 Megajoules /sec = 2 Mwatts
 
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If the reference was regarding horizontal flight, then power consumed equals aerodynamic drag force times speed. If flight isn't horizontal, then add weight of the aircraft times sin of angle from horizontal to aerodynamic drag force, and still multiply by speed.
 

1. What is the concept of lift in an airplane?

Lift is the force that allows an airplane to stay in the air. It is generated by the wings as they move through the air at a certain angle of attack, creating a difference in air pressure between the upper and lower surfaces of the wing.

2. How is lift calculated in an airplane?

Lift is calculated by using the formula: L = 1/2 x p x V^2 x S x CL, where L is lift, p is the air density, V is the velocity, S is the wing area, and CL is the coefficient of lift. This formula takes into account the four main factors that affect lift: air density, velocity, wing size, and wing shape.

3. What is the relationship between lift and an airplane's velocity?

As an airplane's velocity increases, the amount of lift generated also increases. This is because the faster the airplane moves through the air, the more air passes over the wings, creating a greater difference in air pressure and thus, more lift.

4. How does weight affect an airplane's lift energy requirements?

The weight of an airplane affects its lift energy requirements in two ways. First, a heavier airplane will require more lift to stay in the air, meaning it will need to fly at a higher velocity. Second, a heavier airplane will also require more thrust to achieve and maintain that higher velocity.

5. How do changes in altitude affect an airplane's lift energy requirements?

As an airplane climbs to higher altitudes, the air density decreases, which means that the air is thinner and there is less air molecules for the wings to generate lift. This means that the airplane will need to increase its velocity to maintain the same amount of lift, resulting in a higher energy requirement.

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