Elastic collisions of a moving ball hitting a stationary ball

in summary, pf user doub tried to solve for the speed and direction of a 2.0 kg ball after it hits an elastic collision and got stuck. he received help from another user and was able to solve for the speed and direction of the ball after the collision.
  • #1
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Homework Statement



A 2.0 kg ball moving with a speed of 3.0 m/s hits, elastically, an identical stationary ball. If the first ball moves away with an angle 30 degrees to the original path, determine the speed of the first ball after the collision, and the speed and direction of the second ball after the collision.

Homework Equations



v_1 = V_1cos30 + v_2cos(theta) for the movement in the "x" direction

and

0 = v_1cos30 + v_2cos(theta) for movement in the "y" directions


The Attempt at a Solution



Played with this for hours but to me it does not seem like there is enough information. I feel like I am missing at velocity for after the collision.

Thanks
 
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  • #2
welcome to pf!

hi doub! welcome to pf! :smile:
doub said:
A 2.0 kg ball moving with a speed of 3.0 m/s hits, elastically …

an elastic collision is defined as one in which energy is conserved (as well as momentum, which is always conserved in collisions) :wink:
 
  • #3
Right,

this is the best answer I got however I do not feel anywhere near confident.

3.0 m/s = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta) = 2.598 m/s + v_2'cos(theta) = 3.0 m/s - 2.598 m/s
so v_2'cos(theta) = 0.402 m/s in the "x" direction

0 = v_1'sin30 + v_2'sin(theta) = 1.299 m/s + v_2'sin(theta). so v_2'sin(theta) = -1.299 m/s

tan^-1 = v_2'cos(theta)/v_2'sin(theta) = -1.299/0402 = -72 degrees

and using sqrt(v_2'sin(theta)^2 + v_2'cos(theta)^2 = 1.36 m/s

am I anywhere in the ballpark at least?
 
  • #4
hi doub! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
doub said:
3.0 m/s = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta) = 2.598 m/s + v_2'cos(theta) = 3.0 m/s - 2.598 m/s

no, v1' isn't 3.0, it's unknown!

try the momentum equations again (and you'll need an energy equation also) :smile:
 
  • #5
yeah I'm totally lost now
 
  • #6
start again, with v1' v2' and θ as your three variables

(you have three equations: x, y, and energy, so that should be solvable :wink:)

show us what you get :smile:
 
  • #7
Ok,

The equations I have gotten are

x --> v_1 = v_1'cos30 + v_2'cos(theta)

y --> 0 = v_1'sin30 + v_2'sin(theta)

Energy --> v_1^2 = v_1'^2 + v_2'^2
 
  • #8
fine so far :smile:

now fiddle about with the first two equations so that cosθ and sinθ are on their own, then use cos2θ + sin2θ = 1 to eliminate θ :wink:
 
  • #9
So,

cos(theta) = v1 - (v1'cos30)/v2'

and

sin(theta) = (-va'sin30)/v2'

where do the sin2theta come from?
 
  • #10
uhh? :confused:

square both equations! :smile:
 
  • #11
I am just not seeing this...

cos2(θ) = (v12 -v12'cos302)/v2'2

sin2(θ) = (-v12'sin302)/v2'2

thanks very much for helping btw
 
  • #12
ok, now add

θ will miraculously disappear! o:)

:smile: pzzaaam!
 
  • #13
so if we add are we left with;

(v12 -v12'cos302) + (-v12'sin302) / 2v2'2

?
 
  • #14
doub said:
cos2(θ) = (v12 -v12'cos302)/v2'2

sin2(θ) = (-v12'sin302)/v2'2

actually, the RHS of that first equation should be (v1 -v1'cos30)2/v2'2
doub said:
so if we add are we left with;

(v12 -v12'cos302) + (-v12'sin302) / 2v2'2

?

how did you get that?

where has the = sign gone? :confused:
 

1. How do you define an elastic collision?

An elastic collision is one in which the total kinetic energy of the system is conserved. This means that the total energy before the collision is equal to the total energy after the collision.

2. What is the difference between elastic and inelastic collisions?

In an elastic collision, the total kinetic energy of the system is conserved, whereas in an inelastic collision, some of the kinetic energy is lost to other forms of energy (such as heat or sound).

3. How do you calculate the final velocities of the balls in an elastic collision?

The final velocities can be calculated using the conservation of momentum and energy equations. This involves knowing the masses and initial velocities of the balls, as well as the coefficient of restitution, which represents the elasticity of the collision.

4. Can the coefficient of restitution be greater than 1 in an elastic collision?

No, the coefficient of restitution can never be greater than 1 in an elastic collision. This would imply that the final velocities are greater than the initial velocities, which violates the conservation of energy.

5. Can a moving ball ever come to a complete stop after colliding with a stationary ball in an elastic collision?

Yes, it is possible for a moving ball to come to a complete stop after colliding with a stationary ball in an elastic collision. This would occur if the mass ratio between the two balls is very large, or if the initial velocity of the moving ball is very small relative to the mass and velocity of the stationary ball.

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