Questions about perpetual machines

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In summary, the conversation discussed the possibility of a machine claiming to be a perpetual motion machine and relying on gravity. The speaker also expressed frustration with their thread being closed and suggested they were not implying the existence of perpetual motion. The responder clarified that a machine with all the characteristics of a PMM would be considered a PMM, regardless of how it operates, and reminded the speaker of the appropriate way to address concerns about a closed thread.
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If there was a machine that claimed to have all the characteristics of such a machine and relied on gravity, can it be called a perpetual machine?
 
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and by the way, whoever closed my thread, umm...if you weren't so trigger-happy you could have simply moved it to the appropriate section. :)
 
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The post will be closed here also...
 
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are you serious? do UFOs exist?

And I'm not even suggesting that there is such a thing as a perpetual machine. Please just read my question first. I understand now that the title is misleading. NOTICE THE IF.
 
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If there was a machine that claimed to have all the characteristics of such a machine and relied on gravity, can it be called a perpetual machine?
A machine that has all the characteristics of a PMM is a PMM. A machine that claims to have all these characteristics, claims to be a PMM. Whether it uses gravity or carrier pigeons is irrelevant.

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FYI, even though the thread is closed, since there is no specific claim of an unexplained phenomenon, or evidence of perpetual motion, I have moved it to GD.
 

1. What is a perpetual machine?

A perpetual machine, also known as a perpetual motion machine, is a hypothetical machine that can operate indefinitely without any external energy source. It is believed to violate the laws of thermodynamics and is considered impossible to create.

2. Why are perpetual machines considered impossible?

Perpetual machines are considered impossible because they would violate the first and second laws of thermodynamics. The first law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another. The second law states that energy will always tend towards a state of disorder, or entropy. A perpetual machine would have to create its own energy and operate without any decrease in entropy, which goes against these laws.

3. Are there any real examples of perpetual machines?

No, there are no known examples of perpetual machines that have been successfully created and operated. Many people have attempted to build them, but they have all failed to work as intended due to the laws of thermodynamics.

4. Have any perpetual machines been patented?

No, perpetual machines have not been patented because the idea of a perpetual machine goes against scientific principles and is considered impossible to create. Patents are only granted for inventions that are deemed feasible and useful.

5. What are some common misconceptions about perpetual machines?

One common misconception about perpetual machines is that they can produce unlimited energy. In reality, even if a perpetual machine were to exist, it would eventually slow down and stop due to factors such as friction and air resistance. Another misconception is that perpetual machines could solve the world's energy problems. However, since they are impossible to create, they cannot be a viable source of energy.

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